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Two laws up for possible change at this weekend's IFAB AGM.
Dropped ball procedure.
Ball out of play.
Also discussing the various trials that have taken place, e. g. 6 seconds for goalkeeper, concussion subs., etc.
 
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There are already very large parts of the laws that either only apply to to the professional game or only to grassroots. TD and VAR being the major ones. These differences are increasingly growing and I don't see that being very good for the games. I feel that it will get to a stage that it will be much simpler to have two version of the laws, one for the pros and the other for the peasants.
 
From Dale Johnson

"Dropped ball: if the ball hits the ref when the pass is clearly not staying in possession of that team, dropped ball to the opposition NOT the team that played the pass

Ball out of play: Examples like Arteta in UCL to no longer be a red card (not that he got one) when the intention is to restart play quickly"
 
Interesting. Quite like both of these to be fair. Would be a handy caveat to the ball out of play one that this is only if the ball is very clearly going out of play. Don't want to be encouraging managers to disrupt things.
 
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RefereeX said:
Interesting. Quite like both of these to be fair. Would be a handy caveat to the ball of of play one that this is only if the ball is very clearly going out of play. Don't want to be encouraging managers to disrupt things.
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I think this is very much what PGMOL are implementing already

Impact on game = red card
No impact = yellow card
 
or reminder to EPL managers stay in your technical area & it isn't possible to interfere with the ball in play 😂
 
if adopted, the the DB change is going to be a point of argument on where the ball was really going.

I think a bigger fix on DBs would be the PA/GK rule. For example, in the recent women’s friendly between Us and UK, the R incorrectly awarded a PK to the US. It was correctly reversed following a VAR review. Even though the US had the ball in the PA, the DB, per Law, was to the GK. That really isn’t a fair result. Rare, but probably most likely to occur in scenarios like that in VAR games than in the games we do.
 
The biggest problem with the dropped ball change is going to be at grassroot and newer referees. Run across a pass for a promising attack and get hit by the ball as not yet good at positioning. You are not only stopping the promising attack but also giving possession to opponents. Recipie for losing game control.
 
DJIC said:
or reminder to EPL managers stay in your technical area & it isn't possible to interfere with the ball in play 😂
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I mean to be fair, that depends very much on the set up of the technical areas. Unsure if there are rules about how much space there must be between TA and pitch, but the step 2 ground I was at on Saturday has barely a foot between TA and pitch, easily someone could be stood in the TA and kick the ball while it's still in play.
 
RefereeX said:
I mean to be fair, that depends very much on the set up of the technical areas. Unsure if there are rules about how much space there must be between TA and pitch, but the step 2 ground I was at on Saturday has barely a foot between TA and pitch, easily someone could be stood in the TA and kick the ball while it's still in play.
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Should be at least 1yd (1m)
 
socal lurker said:
if adopted, the the DB change is going to be a point of argument on where the ball was really going.

I think a bigger fix on DBs would be the PA/GK rule. For example, in the recent women’s friendly between Us and UK, the R incorrectly awarded a PK to the US. It was correctly reversed following a VAR review. Even though the US had the ball in the PA, the DB, per Law, was to the GK. That really isn’t a fair result. Rare, but probably most likely to occur in scenarios like that in VAR games than in the games we do.
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It's not fair, but it's a hell of a lot better for game management. Managing an attacking drop ball in the PA would be carnage. Maybe fairer to say you drop it back to team who has possession's own GK, but then you'd be taking the ball 100 yards away from where anything happened 😆
JamesL said:
Should be at least 1yd (1m)
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Is that a league rules thing or a law? Quite sure it wasn't the case on Saturday, unless I'm misremembering.

one said:
The biggest problem with the dropped ball change is going to be at grassroot and newer referees. Run across a pass for a promising attack and get hit by the ball as not yet good at positioning. You are not only stopping the promising attack but also giving possession to opponents. Recipie for losing game control.
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If it's only in cases where the ball was clearly going to the opposition, then in this scenario you'd still be dropping it as per current law.
 
socal lurker said:
if adopted, the the DB change is going to be a point of argument on where the ball was really going.

I think a bigger fix on DBs would be the PA/GK rule. For example, in the recent women’s friendly between Us and UK, the R incorrectly awarded a PK to the US. It was correctly reversed following a VAR review. Even though the US had the ball in the PA, the DB, per Law, was to the GK. That really isn’t a fair result. Rare, but probably most likely to occur in scenarios like that in VAR games than in the games we do.
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There are more common 'fairness' issues with current law. If the ball is clearly on its way out but the referee stops it from going out. Or when it's clearly on the way to an opponent and hits the referee.
 
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