Leicester v Chelsea Red cards anyone?
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Poor performance all round from the MO's on this game. As well as the two above (the wording in both tweets is a little over-dramatic, but they were still both missed reds), there was a definite Leicester penalty that was missed ahead of the one they did get, and that one they did get was almost chalked off due to a really poor offside flag.
I feel like with the first one we've seen a couple so far this season where because minimal contact is made, there's almost a reluctance to show a red card.
And the second one is an awful challenge and he's very lucky he doesn't properly rake the back of his leg. Probably should've been a red but we've seen similar challenges (maybe not as bad as this one) only punished with a caution.
And the second one is an awful challenge and he's very lucky he doesn't properly rake the back of his leg. Probably should've been a red but we've seen similar challenges (maybe not as bad as this one) only punished with a caution.
To be fair the lino was actually the 4O who stepped in at halftime, likely first time he's had hold of a flag for several years.
The first one I think you can get away with a yellow, not great but I can understand the referee giving a yellow in that moment.
The second one is deliberate and rakes down the back of the leg with the studs, typical PGMOL referee not recognising SFP right Infront of him and the VAR not having the courage to overturn because it lacks intensity apparently. This is one of those where I actually think slow mo makes the tackle look less bad believe it or not, show it full speed and you can see intensity is definitely enough for a red imo.
The second one is deliberate and rakes down the back of the leg with the studs, typical PGMOL referee not recognising SFP right Infront of him and the VAR not having the courage to overturn because it lacks intensity apparently. This is one of those where I actually think slow mo makes the tackle look less bad believe it or not, show it full speed and you can see intensity is definitely enough for a red imo.
It was a poor offside decision, but in fairness if you get asked to do any job that you probably haven't done for 5 years you are probably going to be slow getting up to speed. Refereeing and lining are two very different skills, hence why we now have dedicated pathways, and I still cannot understand why a league with all the money that the EPL has doesn't have a spare assistant at each game.
Apologies for not knowing intimate details about the employment history of the AR in question before posting
I mean seriously, that defence obviously doesn't hold up to scrutiny. If he's not competent to do that job, why is he doing it? You rightly query why reserve ARs aren't in place, but we shouldn't be excusing poor decisions made as the result of this.
He was doing it because the AR got injured, it was probably the first time he had even held a flag for 5 years, if not longer.Apologies for not knowing intimate details about the employment history of the AR in question before posting
I mean seriously, that defence obviously doesn't hold up to scrutiny. If he's not competent to do that job, why is he doing it? You rightly query why reserve ARs aren't in place, but we shouldn't be excusing poor decisions made as the result of this.
I sympathise with the 4O having to step in.
It does raise the question however why they are not trained more often in running the line in case this happens? If we aren’t going to have reserve assistants at every game, should refs also have to do the odd line a few times a year at reserve or academy level just to keep them up to speed?
It does raise the question however why they are not trained more often in running the line in case this happens? If we aren’t going to have reserve assistants at every game, should refs also have to do the odd line a few times a year at reserve or academy level just to keep them up to speed?
Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm sure once again, the more senior assistant swopped sides for the second half so the cynic in me is suggesting they think Chelsea will dominate so have your more senior linesman doing their decisions
If that is the case then that does tell me if you don't trust the 4th official to do the linesman job then maybe as Rustyref says, bring a spare assistant incase one does get injured.
If that is the case then that does tell me if you don't trust the 4th official to do the linesman job then maybe as Rustyref says, bring a spare assistant incase one does get injured.
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2nd one is a red card all day long.
I think lack of force it what saves the chap in the first one.
I think lack of force it what saves the chap in the first one.
Apologies if I'm mistaken, but my understanding is that the 4O is there to step in for any officials in the event of an injury, in addition to their primary responsibilities.
Fact checked my own ignorance
Given that the Fourth Official is a qualified referee, should they not be receiving regular training? Other professions have to complete regular training to maintain their certifications, knowledge and skillset.
Fact checked my own ignorance
Given that the Fourth Official is a qualified referee, should they not be receiving regular training? Other professions have to complete regular training to maintain their certifications, knowledge and skillset.
I think every 4O has the skills and knowledge to run the line but that does not substitute experience and doing it every game. Those muscle memory instincts that are honed from repeatedly doing something.
Can read laws and watch clips all you like but that can never replicate split 2nd judgements with up to millions watching.
Exactly that, obviously every referee at the top level has experience of running the line, they can't have been promoted without it, but that could be many years ago. Leigh Doughty has been an EFL referee for 5 years, so unless he has come on as a 4th official in that time he won't have held a flag for at least 5 years. On the occasions when I've been out injured long term, and sadly there have been far too many of them, I've been all over the place in my first game back, as you rightly say it is a muscle memory thing.
There is also an additional factor in this case, in that he has never refereed in the EPL, nor was he an assistant at anywhere near that level. Which means his first ever on-pitch experience in the EPL was in a live televised game in a role that he hasn't performed for at least 5 years. That is a far from ideal scenario whichever way you look at it.
Just comes back to my point that they should be picking up a flag a couple of times a year at a lower level. Yes it would be weird for Michael Oliver to run the line in PL2, but surely that’s better than him being unprepared to do it in the PL in case of emergency?
That partly helps, in that it gets them used to holding a flag and lining, but those games are sterile, there's absolutely no pressure. Leigh Doughty came on in front of a full stadium in a game that was being televised live to millions, that's a huge difference to running the line on a PL2 game.
The average wage of the players starting that game was probably in excess of £50,000. It would cost at most £1000 to put a reserve AR on it, allowing for travel and potential accommodation, I really can't see any logical argument not to do it.