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Martinez Yellow or Red?

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It's a kick out after the ball has gone that connects high on an opponent studs first. I thought it was red when Fernandes did similar a few weeks ago (even though that got reversed) and I think this should be red too.
 
I doubt the VAR has said it's only a caution. The 'check complete' has been misinterpreted by the commentator as suggesting they agree with the decision, rather than it not meeting the C&O threshold.

Anyway it should be a red card but the failure to give it is typical of Premier League refereeing.
 
CaptainsPlease said:
I doubt the VAR has said it's only a caution. The 'check complete' has been misinterpreted by the commentator as suggesting they agree with the decision, rather than it not meeting the C&O threshold.

Anyway it should be a red card but the failure to give it is typical of Premier League refereeing.
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I wouldn't be surprised if the infamous "referees call" has probably come into play also.

Mike Dean saying it's only a glancing contact is probably what saved the VAR from getting involved. I kinda understand but he was high and late and I think it's enough to warrant that it's endangered the safety of the opponent.
 
I think it’s been given a caution because the force for the high contact is very low (not saying I agree with a yellow here) but the ball is so far gone it’s not like his foot is up there to play it
 
Is force really the only difference between a yellow and a red here? I mean it's high, deliberate, studs leading into the knee and the ball no where near.

Seems the classic of in other European leagues/competitions the red card would be produced 9 times out of 10 and would be intervened upon by VAR most times but in England it's different rightly or wrongly.
 
Paul_10 said:
Is force really the only difference between a yellow and a red here? I mean it's high, deliberate, studs leading into the knee and the ball no where near.

Seems the classic of in other European leagues/competitions the red card would be produced 9 times out of 10 and would be intervened upon by VAR most times but in England it's different rightly or wrongly.
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No. There is also safety endangerment and/or brutality. For a red card it either has to have excessive force hence why we talk about force, brutality (i.e. violent, savage, ruthless) or endangers opponents safety.
I think it's a glancing blow which given what we have seen and talked about in terms of considerations makes it reckless, imo.
The height alone does not make it a red card offence.
 
This is the kind of ‘orange card’ that they should use sin bins for tbh. Never gonna happen.
 
At the end of the day, for me I don't think anyone can say that challenge uses excessive force, so it would come down to endangering the safety of the opponent, and while this is likely to hurt Palmer, its very unlikely to cause a significant injury. Agree with a caution.
 
I still think red card, but I can understand yellow.

It’s similar to raking studs down the back of someone’s Achilles. That’s easy to do without excessive force, but most pros would tell you they’d want that to be a red….. and I think most fans would
 
What I find interesting is most ex-pros I've heard says red, and the same ones said that Bruno Fernandes's challenge should have been yellow. The consensus from them seems to be that Martinez has "done him" out of frustration.

I agree with that view, I think he knew what he was doing, but I thought the same for Fernandes and that was overturned. Wouldn't be at all surprised if the outcome of that previous one was on VAR's mind, and as a result they stuck with referee's call.
 
Only seen a slo-mo replay so difficult to judge the amount of force in the challenge, but the fact that Mark Halsey's shouting his mouth off that it should have been a red makes me immediately think it's probably a yellow.
 
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