Arsenal Vs Bournemouth
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No but does the CRO have the privilege of influencing outcome of KMIs? Who is his boss? Why not give that person a live feed as well?
Event if there is not attempt to influence, it just doesn't look good because there is no legit reason for it.
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Really? Genuine question. They get live feed to entire comms that the ref has? If this is the case there is nothing I have seen in live broadcast that suggests this.
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I think the ambiguity is the problem here. No way HW should be saying anything live - not that i know he did.
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If he’s saying something, then that is completely wrong. But I highly highly doubt that he is
But reviews like in Cricket is based on more factual decisions like LBW's, I think the current system is fine but I do think referees need to be braver to stick with their original decision if albeit it should happen rarely with the high threshold for a review.
As for the commentators, it must be noted they only hear the VAR and not the referee and that is only when the VAR opens the communication to the referee. Any general conversation between the VAR and AVAR can't be heard by the commentators.
Yes, they hear the conversation between VAR and the referee. They don't hear what VAR are saying between themselves, just as the referee doesn't, but once the button is pressed to communicate with the referee they hear that conversation. That's why they usually say there is going to be a review before the referee makes the signal, they hear VAR telling the referee they are going to recommend a review and are just checking the APP. This is the same in UEFA games as well.
As for Webb, firstly we don't know for sure he was listening to the audio, and if he was it was probably the same feed the broadcasters get. There's no way he was in communication with the VAR room or officials, and any suggestion he was is nothing more than fan led conspiracy theory.
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Last part of what you’re saying is correct. And we don’t know that this wasn’t the case for all HW could hear. Anything at this point is just speculation.
Subjective reviews in football currently have two levels of subjectivity: a) is the decision wrong and b) does it meet the C&O threshold?
The benefit of any challenge system is that it gets rid of that second level of subjectivity and puts the "should we do a review?" question on the club rather than the officials. VAR is then just making a simple right/wrong decision rather than having to juggle two conflicting standards.
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He has the mobile number to all officials and 'can' text them live.
It's not a statement or a question of he is doing something wrong. It's about the fact, to the general public it looks like he is. He puts his hand on his ear as though he is listening to the steam and then he is typing a message on his phone. We can't deny that it gives the impression he is messaging the VAR room and that does not look good.
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You seem to be missing the point. It's not about what I or any other referee knows or thinks. It's about what the general footballing public thinks and what it looks like to them.
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As Rusty said, there’s cameras all over the VAR room, so how exactly is that going to work?
This is really really going down the route of conspiracy theories.
I’d say I’m fairly clear and vocal on where I stand with VAR and the current setup of PGMOL. But some of the things being stated here and in the media are taking it to the next level
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I understand what you’re saying, but HW is damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t.
He could stay sat at home and someone could lead a conspiracy to say they can’t visually see HW, so he must be providing information to the officials down their comms.
When he nips inside at half time to get a brew, someone could say he must have gone down to the changing rooms to tell the officials x,y&z.
You could literally make a theory up about anything they do or don’t do.
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To be clear, I am NOT saying he messaged the VAR room or any anyone in order to influence the VAR or referee decision.
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Or put your hand on your ear to show you are listening to a feed on an earpiece. It just doesn't look good.
It's the timing. VAR reviewing on a red card, put your hand on your ear while texting someone.
Again I personally don't think he was texting the VAR (nor the referee
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I just don’t understand what doesn’t look good. The commentators have got access to the comms between referee and VAR, so why can’t HW?
You can say it’s not a good look, but what is a good look? The media and footballing world will criticise match officials for anything they do or don’t do, so I don’t know what else it is they can do.