Frustrating news regarding promotion
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I would support most of what you've said, but unless/until there is ever a specific court ruling it is a matter of legitimate debate whether certain measures are actually within the positive action provisions or are actually disproportionate and therefore potentially unlawful discrimination. As for potential for libel, both truth and honest opinion are defences and there is no question that measures such as these cause a disadvantage to ineligible groups, when a common understanding of positive action is that it is not supposed to disadvantage anyone outside the designated group(s).
I don't think anyone reasonable would doubt or suggest that the aim of increasing participation among the designated groups is perfectly legitimate.
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Are they under represented in refereeing? If you think they are then lobby your CFA to get a free or discounted course for them.
There will only be a court case and ruling if an organisation fails to follow the criteria of the document I posted. And none will be stupid enough to do that.
im not sure but they could do with a bursary due to their circumstances.
Just because you are a woman or bame it doesn't mean you cannot afford to pay full whack.
let's put the money where the need is.
It's not about whether or not minority groups can afford the course and thus making it cheaper, it's about enticing those people to take the course to attract them in to refereeing.
Correct, it is all about an incentive to attract people from underrepresented groups. Even if someone relatively well off who was thinking about becoming a referee but not completely sold, they would be much more likely to be convinced if the course was free rather than £160. Think of it as someone thinking of buying a new TV but not convinced they need one, then they logon to Amazon and see a model they like is reduced by 60%, they are more likely to take the plunge than if it was full price. Doesn't mean they couldn't afford it at full price, but the incentive has turned their heads.
I doubt young white males from low earning households are underrepresented in refereeing. Not sure anyone knows though as I don't recall ever being asked what my household income is when registering as a referee. Some CFAs have taken steps to help in this area though, such as running free or discounted courses at places like schools and clubs in economically deprived areas. And there's an example here where the Northumberland FA secured sponsorship to allow them to offer free and low cost courses to certain groups, included those in economically deprived areas. I recall other CFAs doing similar as well.
Free and low cost referee training courses to be provided by Northumberland FA after sponsor found
Training courses on football refereeing are to be made available for free or at a low cost to people from disadvantaged backgrounds thanks to new sponsorship.
www.northumberlandgazette.co.uk
Ah yes! But that doesn't fit the narrative.Correct, it is all about an incentive to attract people from underrepresented groups. Even if someone relatively well off who was thinking about becoming a referee but not completely sold, they would be much more likely to be convinced if the course was free rather than £160. Think of it as someone thinking of buying a new TV but not convinced they need one, then they logon to Amazon and see a model they like is reduced by 60%, they are more likely to take the plunge than if it was full price. Doesn't mean they couldn't afford it at full price, but the incentive has turned their heads.
I doubt young white males from low earning households are underrepresented in refereeing. Not sure anyone knows though as I don't recall ever being asked what my household income is when registering as a referee. Some CFAs have taken steps to help in this area though, such as running free or discounted courses at places like schools and clubs in economically deprived areas. And there's an example here where the Northumberland FA secured sponsorship to allow them to offer free and low cost courses to certain groups, included those in economically deprived areas. I recall other CFAs doing similar as well.
Free and low cost referee training courses to be provided by Northumberland FA after sponsor found
Training courses on football refereeing are to be made available for free or at a low cost to people from disadvantaged backgrounds thanks to new sponsorship.
It's really disappointing to see almost every thread to do with promotion these days ends up with people debating/complaining about positive action and claiming discrimination when that has nought to do with the OP.
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It's jealously, predominantly from those who can't even get out of 4.
I do agree, almost always the only people complaining about how things work at step 6 refereeing and above have never refereed at that level, nor had any intention / and or ability to do so. I've never been a fan of the current culture of complaining on behalf of others, let people fight their own battles, and when scurrilous claims of positive discrimination are thrown in it just makes it even worse.
I don't agree with charging some people for the course and not others (based on a protected characteristic). It's as simple as that. Nothing to do with jealousy or any other fanciful or insulting suggestion. I have a simple view of life which involves the principal of treating everyone the same. Nobody should be favoured based on a protected characteristic, even if the intentions are well meaning because doing so will defeat the purpose by perpetuating animosity among groups. Equality will lead to equality without having to force the issue.
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What Northumberland is offering is how it should be. This lets people in need get a free course and ticks the FAs equal opps agenda.Correct, it is all about an incentive to attract people from underrepresented groups. Even if someone relatively well off who was thinking about becoming a referee but not completely sold, they would be much more likely to be convinced if the course was free rather than £160. Think of it as someone thinking of buying a new TV but not convinced they need one, then they logon to Amazon and see a model they like is reduced by 60%, they are more likely to take the plunge than if it was full price. Doesn't mean they couldn't afford it at full price, but the incentive has turned their heads.
I doubt young white males from low earning households are underrepresented in refereeing. Not sure anyone knows though as I don't recall ever being asked what my household income is when registering as a referee. Some CFAs have taken steps to help in this area though, such as running free or discounted courses at places like schools and clubs in economically deprived areas. And there's an example here where the Northumberland FA secured sponsorship to allow them to offer free and low cost courses to certain groups, included those in economically deprived areas. I recall other CFAs doing similar as well.
Free and low cost referee training courses to be provided by Northumberland FA after sponsor found
Training courses on football refereeing are to be made available for free or at a low cost to people from disadvantaged backgrounds thanks to new sponsorship.
I do agree with favouring people based on income (those who can prove they can't afford the course should get a discount or pay nothing). But not ethnicity, religion, gender and so on. Naturally, some groups (particularly based on ethnicity), would get the course for free on an income basis, but I'd be OK with that. Anyway, I've made my point... guess the thread can end or get back on track. I didn't mean to derail but that's how conversations go sometimes
Out of interest, what are Northumberland doing?
The free courses to women and BAME will not last forever, as it didn’t for all when I started in 1987.
Well, let's hope not. It did irritate me that I had to pay for my son to do the course based on skin colour alone. I should have to pay for him, purely because I can afford to do so
I genuinely believe that if everyone was like me, in that I treat everyone the same (or at least I try to), equality would take care of itself. Favouring minority groups will not lead to animosity. We can see that in Society. Woke is driving division and and animosity, quite the opposite of what the corporate marketing disease claims to achieve
Free and low cost referee training courses to be provided by Northumberland FA after sponsor found
Training courses on football refereeing are to be made available for free or at a low cost to people from disadvantaged backgrounds thanks to new sponsorship.
www.northumberlandgazette.co.uk
Typical. Folk misunderstand or don't properly read what's actually being said. Anything that deviates (even in the slightest) away from woke rhetoric tangibly gets the mods nervous and the discussion will end up getting shutdown. That said, I'm guilty of taking things off topic, so I'm happy to quit perpetuating the debate. It's impossible to have intelligent discussion on such matters on a public forum anyway
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I think the biggest problem we have is that you just won’t tell us how you really feel……
As said above. Whilst I have been very clear with some opinions, conversation is too nuanced and contexed to be discussed any further on hereI think the biggest problem we have is that you just won’t tell us how you really feel……
Just end up wishing you hadn't slipped into such digression as it ain't worth it on a public forum. Just end up getting silenced as it's too difficult to navigate
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