Would need a VAR protocol expert to advise, but I didn't think VAR could do anything until after a decision had been made.Surely VAR shouldn't be getting involved before a decision has been made?
Would need a VAR protocol expert to advise, but I didn't think VAR could do anything until after a decision had been made.Surely VAR shouldn't be getting involved before a decision has been made?
If the referee doesn't know the identity, isn't that grounds to go the monitor? Is it correct protocol for VAR tell the ref an identity without going to the screen?Surely VAR shouldn't be getting involved before a decision has been made?
That was my thought/assumption...Dale Johnson says otherwiseWould need a VAR protocol expert to advise, but I didn't think VAR could do anything until after a decision had been made.
But then a missed incident ties into the review text I posted above. He effectively did both of those final bullet points: the second one first, and then despite that being stated as final he went onto do the first one. The fact there is an "or" in between them means you can't do both.Except for a 'missed' incident - does missing the identity of an offender qualify as this?
MOTD said PGMOL said the process was followed correctly.
Sorry Paul, but I really hate the obsession over time when it comes to VAR. I can't think of many jobs in the world where time pressure increases quality of results, yet it's constantly trotted out that making the VAR faster will make the system better.MOTD said PGMOL said the process was followed correctly.
Sooooooo 5 minutes to issue a red card and then change to a yellow is "correct"?
Its not an obsession, was actually mentioned on MOTD that it completely killed the atmosphere in the stadium.Sorry Paul, but I really hate the obsession over time when it comes to VAR. I can't think of many jobs in the world where time pressure increases quality of results, yet it's constantly trotted out that making the VAR faster will make the system better.
What they're saying is that there were no procedural errors. And in reality, we can also actually say that the correct end-result was reached. Both of these are good things, neither of these implies it couldn't possibly have gone better. You seem to be reading "PGMOL patting themselves on the back" where I'm reading them just confirming boxes were correctly ticked.
The huge amount of time it took was in part because a bunch of man-babies got stroppy that another man-baby kicked/pushed their friend. Because of how many of them chose to unnecessarily get involved, the officials then had to consult to determine what actually happened. And then once all of that had happened, the VAR getting them to downgrade to yellow was relatively fast.
Completely agree that more can be done to make the experience better for spectators in the ground and at home.Its not an obsession, was actually mentioned on MOTD that it completely killed the atmosphere in the stadium.
Personally think its about time the paying spectator - be that live or via pay TV is moved a bit further up the priority list myself.
Plus its a bit of a nonsense to say that it doesn't matter IMHO. You take 5 minutes to reach a decision with one of your real life ARs and see how well that goes down?
Ah but that's VAR, its an 'improvement' you will say - can't see that myself.
Similar to the discussion we had on match fees, how can receiving your fee 48 hours after the match be an 'improvement' on receiving a few minutes after the match, or even before in some (rare) cases?
File me away in the 'old school' drawer if you like, but there can't be many walks of life - sport or not - where slower is seen as better.
Rant over - sorry everyone!
Rugby is a lot different, play and players are bunched into a relatively small area of the pitch and it can take a long time to move. Football is a lot more dynamic and therefore a much higher chance of a downed player and the physios getting caught up in play.Is there a way of continuing the match while a player is receiving treatment, in certain neutral areas of the pitch, aka rugby? Newcastle had a player, Guimaraes I think, he was injured rolled off the pitch then more rolls later was back on the pitch. His side were losing 2-0, so just a given players expect the game to be stopped for all players to receive treatment.