callmemyref
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When the ball reflects from the team mate / opponent do we still take the first point of contact?
Thank youIf it deflects of an opponent yes, team mate no, in that case offside is reset to the deflection
Do you think it’s clear enough in the LOTG.?If it deflects of an opponent yes, team mate no, in that case offside is reset to the deflection
I'm not sure what you meanDo you think it’s near enough in the LOTG.?
Clear *I'm not sure what you mean
Yes. OS is measured when last played or touched by a teammate. Every touch is a new moment.Do you think it’s clear enough in the LOTG.?
Or more accurately, we throw the snapshot away if play is stopped but if the defense plays the ball we take a new snapshot but of the other team.Yes. OS is measured when last played or touched by a teammate. Every touch is a new moment.
when I teach new refs, I sometimes suggest they think of it as taking a mental snapshot of where every time the team touches the ball, and that snapshot is who is OSP and not able to participate. When the attacking track touches it again, we toss the old snapshot and use the new one. And if the defensive team plays the ball or play is stopped, we just toss the snapshot and anyone can be involved.
Fair point--I'm usually talking in the context of ARs, who only need a snapshot for one team.Or more accurately, we throw the snapshot away if play is stopped but if the defense plays the ball we take a new snapshot but of the other team.
Really like this, my trainer said similar and it helps track what way a throw in should go in case it goes out unexpectedly (happens a lot in sunday league!)Yes. OS is measured when last played or touched by a teammate. Every touch is a new moment.
when I teach new refs, I sometimes suggest they think of it as taking a mental snapshot of where every time the team touches the ball, and that snapshot is who is OSP and not able to participate. When the attacking track touches it again, we toss the old snapshot and use the new one. And if the defensive team plays the ball or play is stopped, we just toss the snapshot and anyone can be involved.
I believe, as per that PSG moment, that it's not Offside unless you judge the offside player has influenced the defenderWill need to bump this thread back up...
This issue has been doing my head in:
Attacking midfielder plays a long ball to the attacking striker (in an offside position). One of the defending players attempts to clear it, but he doesn't head it quite well (he does head it though).
The attacking striker then gets the ball.
Is this considered offside in the new rule?
Players seem to think that because there was a deflection, it's not... But the pass was initially made by the attacking team.
Will need to bump this thread back up...
This issue has been doing my head in:
Attacking midfielder plays a long ball to the attacking striker (in an offside position). One of the defending players attempts to clear it, but he doesn't head it quite well (he does head it though).
The attacking striker then gets the ball.
Is this considered offside in the new rule?
Players seem to think that because there was a deflection, it's not... But the pass was initially made by the attacking team.
The choice of word 'influence' is misleading. As per lotg, it's only offside if attacker has 'impacted' defender's ability to play the ball (or interfered with him)I believe, as per that PSG moment, that it's not Offside unless you judge the offside player has influenced the defender
As you have put it, defender has 'attempted' to play the ball and made contact, this is deliberate play and no offside.Attacking midfielder plays a long ball to the attacking striker (in an offside position). One of the defending players attempts to clear it, but he doesn't head it quite well (he does head it though).
Fundamentally, if the ball makes contact with a defender on it's way to an attacker (in an offside position at the moment the ball was touched / played by a team mate) then there are three possibilitiesWill need to bump this thread back up...
This issue has been doing my head in:
Attacking midfielder plays a long ball to the attacking striker (in an offside position). One of the defending players attempts to clear it, but he doesn't head it quite well (he does head it though).
The attacking striker then gets the ball.
Is this considered offside in the new rule?
Players seem to think that because there was a deflection, it's not... But the pass was initially made by the attacking team.