Agree with Russell - for me, disagreeing with a decision is fine and I'll indulge a player who has a genuine disagreement if the keep it muted and civil.
Agreed, one way to avert dissent is to run away from it! By the time the player passes you next, they'll be steaming lessThe latest advice I've been given on dealing with dissent is to deal with it by not being there. >_>
I guess that sounds stupid but... Basically, give the decision, run to where the drop zone will be. That way the only way to get dissent is if they follow you and that makes it a pretty easy caution.
Yeah, I usually don't mind if a player is respectful and just chatting about a decision. Interestingly, been told to stop allowing this though as it's a "means to an end" in wearing the referee down. Which, I suppose is a fair point.
Well two things....first, I'd much rather have my dissent come in the form of quiet mind games over aggressive screaming! I've got no problem encouraging that kind of atmosphere on pitches I'm in the middle of. And secondly, I don't know how much you can do about that really. If you start carding for polite disagreement, you're going to run out of players pretty quickly.Some players are clever though, they say things intentionally backwards to screw your brain......Like.....'Do you think you've got that right ref? for example...... If they said 'Ref, You got that wrong ref!!!'its the same think just said without malice!! Subconsciously I'm sure the nicer respectful players get more decisions than the bloke screaming every 30 seconds in your ear!!!
And be wrong in law as by definition 'polite disagreement' is not, in fact, dissent!f you start carding for polite disagreement, you're going to run out of players pretty quickly.
The latest advice I've been given on dealing with dissent is to deal with it by not being there. >_>
I guess that sounds stupid but... Basically, give the decision, run to where the drop zone will be. That way the only way to get dissent is if they follow you and that makes it a pretty easy caution.
Yeah, I usually don't mind if a player is respectful and just chatting about a decision. Interestingly, been told to stop allowing this though as it's a "means to an end" in wearing the referee down. Which, I suppose is a fair point.
Us observers have this problem, we can't say something like "you dealt with the dissent by the Home 2 well by speaking to him with the captain", as dissent is required by law to be a caution. So we have to change it to something like "you dealt well with the Home 2 verbally disagreeing with your decision by speaking to him with the captain"
I'm planning on applying for promotion to level 6 next season, would you recommend squashing dissent during observed games or just treating it like normal?
The golden rule for dissent is "Never ignore dissent". You don't have to caution it every time but deal with it every time. When to caution is very much dependant on context and the specific case. It take common sense and experience to know when that fine line has been crossed an you have to go for the card.
So i was AR at the weekend for the first time in a while...how you act on the first dissent is key
It wasn't me, I've retired.......good to hear someone else taking up a 'stuff the club marks's attitude......So i was AR at the weekend for the first time in a while
The ref had a zero tolerance approach to dissent. Sure enough after KO, he did indeed have a zero tolerance approach to dissent, issuing the first C2 very early on
Home team leading 3-2 : strong penalty shout for away team, last minute : appeal turned down : attacker booked for simulation
So, zero tolerance approach to dissent and cheating. One might expect this ref to be my hero, but we all manage games differently and it turns out I'm not as penal as at least one referee out there...
Not sure he cared much for the good old 'Club Marks'