Deceptive one that! Red on replay but hard to spot in real time.Any thoughts of Shelvey on Pogba? Looked possibly crimson to me.
Deceptive one that! Red on replay but hard to spot in real time.Any thoughts of Shelvey on Pogba? Looked possibly crimson to me.
Thank God. The fact it escaped any sanction and didnt really seem to get too much attention from the broadcaster - I might have not heard if it did - I felt like I was overstating the it a bit.Very dark red!!!!
Some of you lot would have curled up behind the couch if football would have been so available to watch in the 70s & 80s. Some of the tackles then would have made this look like a testimonial game. Yes, there were fouls in that game, modern fouls, retribution fouls, probably cardable yellow or red fouls.. Good to see a ref let a bit go and not be on a one man mission to cleanse the game of anything remotely naughty. 9/10
Failed on KMI thought ;-)
The issue I have with your sentiments that 'nobody is talking about him so he must be good' is that it promotes the spineless refereeing culture that is wrecking the game.
More specifically, if he gave the correct red card, people would certainly be talking about the ref.
Getting a little sensitive there. I disagree with you because I disagree with you. I don't care who's writing it. Not sure why you're playing some sort of victim there.
The referee DID have bearing on the match though. He's made a significant, match-changing error.
Just so happens that if he made the right decision, people might be talking about it more.
But plenty of people are talking about it on social media. Sometimes the pundits ignore major errors, we see that in our league here. And sometimes they verbally draw and quarter the ref when they've done wrong.
As to whether it's excusable that he missed it - I'd have to see his position for that. It's quite a blatant foul, I'm having a hard time justifying missing this one unless his view was blocked - though in that case I'd love to know how the AR missed it as well.
Yes, we get it. Footballs changed but do we have to go down this route every time there’s a conversation about a red card?Some of you lot would have curled up behind the couch if football would have been so available to watch in the 70s & 80s. Some of the tackles then would have made this look like a testimonial game. Yes, there were fouls in that game, modern fouls, retribution fouls, probably cardable yellow or red fouls.. Good to see a ref let a bit go and not be on a one man mission to cleanse the game of anything remotely naughty. 9/10
We retain some nostalgia however. If I mention how the game used to be, that's because I preferred elite football 30 years ago. Cheating in the form of hacking and intimidation was better than the embarrassing modern day equivalent. Given the choice of two televised games, I always go for the lower division game, because that's closer to the football I prefer and I'm not left watching the pathetic behaviour of the PL mega-egosYes, we get it. Footballs changed but do we have to go down this route every time there’s a conversation about a red card?
We retain some nostalgia however. If I mention how the game used to be, that's because I preferred elite football 30 years ago. Cheating in the form of hacking and intimidation was better than the embarrassing modern day equivalent. Given the choice of two televised games, I always go for the lower division game, because that's closer to the football I prefer and I'm not left watching the pathetic behaviour of the PL mega-egos
It's frustrating because the things that spoil the modern game would be an easy fix. There's just no interest in hitting dissent and cheating hard. I'm sure the ridiculous antics are seen as part of the entertainment package and viewing figures are the only thing that counts. Imagine if today's football stars acted like men instead of children. It would be quite somethingI too preferred the game of yesteryear but mostly because it was played by British footballers.
It's frustrating because the things that spoil the modern game would be an easy fix. There's just no interest in hitting dissent and cheating hard. I'm sure the ridiculous antics are seen as part of the entertainment package and viewing figures are the only thing that counts. Imagine if today's football stars acted like men instead of children. It would be quite something
Instead, I have to watch players with lesser ability to find what I prefer
Was say diving always there though and its only now in the days of 60 camera angles and instant replays and social media giving players reputations and so on?
I do recall from the 80 and 90s here, each team did have someone who, well, sometimes went to ground a bit easy?
Along lines of, the more water you give your plants, the more they grow....
whereas someone at, say, Unibond league knows nobody is going to pay attention to his dive...
Couldn't agree moreI don't think so.
The modern game has just changed over the years is all. In much the same way that the "challenges" that the likes of Hunter/Bremner/Tommy Smith and even more recently Vinny Jones used to get away with just aren't acceptable at that level any more.
Certainly, for me anyway, the culture of football over the last 50 or so years has been one of cheating. It used to be quite frowned upon in the English game. It doesn't seem that long ago that Spanish/Italian teams would visit our shores in European Competitions and their general gamesmanship, play-acting and histrionics was viewed with derision and scorn by our players and fans alike. Enter the Premier league in the 90s and with British players at that level virtually being replaced almost in entirety by foreigners within a very short space of time, that culture has been imported wholesale and pretty much subsumed into our top flight game. It's no more surprising to see English players falling to the floor dramatically, clutching their faces during a minor altercation, in an attempt to get their opponent sent off or cautioned than it is to see a foreign player do it now. The same with diving and all the other cheating niceties that are part of our televised game. Rightly or wrongly, top flight English football used to be rough and physical - now it's just full of foreigners all trying to cheat each other out of a result for huge sums of money.
A bit gloomy I know but I fancy I'm not too far off the mark.
I'd check someone isn't posting in your place Kes, this blokes making complete sense for a change!!I don't think so.
The modern game has just changed over the years is all. In much the same way that the "challenges" that the likes of Hunter/Bremner/Tommy Smith and even more recently Vinny Jones used to get away with just aren't acceptable at that level any more.
Certainly, for me anyway, the culture of football over the last 50 or so years has been one of cheating. It used to be quite frowned upon in the English game. It doesn't seem that long ago that Spanish/Italian teams would visit our shores in European Competitions and their general gamesmanship, play-acting and histrionics was viewed with derision and scorn by our players and fans alike. Enter the Premier league in the 90s and with British players at that level virtually being replaced almost in entirety by foreigners within a very short space of time, that culture has been imported wholesale and pretty much subsumed into our top flight game. It's no more surprising to see English players falling to the floor dramatically, clutching their faces during a minor altercation, in an attempt to get their opponent sent off or cautioned than it is to see a foreign player do it now. The same with diving and all the other cheating niceties that are part of our televised game. Rightly or wrongly, top flight English football used to be rough and physical - now it's just full of foreigners all trying to cheat each other out of a result for huge sums of money.
A bit gloomy I know but I fancy I'm not too far off the mark.