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Sigwill3691

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If a junior coach is sent off and gets a 3 game ban can they attend the venue of the game of own son playing?
 
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That’s one for the local FA to handle as they administer the suspension. There’s a scale of punishments including the matches missed. At the higher end some offences will carry a stadium/facility ban as we’ve seen before in the professional game (Alan Pardew for example), others are a ban on all football activity including training.

Attending as a spectator may be permitted but no coaching, “physio” or club AR work would be allowed for the team that the coach is associated with per the ban.
 
If a junior coach is sent off and gets a 3 game ban can they attend the venue of the game of own son playing?
I coached alongside someone who got a ban in adult football and it was "all football activity" so his wife brought their lad along for three weeks. Now, whether he could have watched as a spectator or not was unclear, but we didn't chance it.

I don't know whether this web page is out of date or not, but it would suggest a "match ban" has different consequences that a "touchline" ban. On the basis this has happened in youth sport and assuming as it's a coach ban it's for OFFINABUS, entering the field of play to confront an official or something similar, it's likely to be a match ban.

The person who's been banned should have a decision/reasons from their County FA. My suspicion would be that they can take their son and watch from the parents viewing area, but I would seek clarity from the local FA. If it's a match ban the Wales FA guidance would suggest the answer to your question would be no.
 
Any non-player suspension at grassroots level should be a ground ban, meaning the participant can't be in attendance before, during or after the fixture.
 
Any non-player suspension at grassroots level should be a ground ban, meaning the participant can't be in attendance before, during or after the fixture.
This wouldn’t be practical due to safeguarding of single parent households might run into legal issues if challenged to.
 
This wouldn’t be practical due to safeguarding of single parent households might run into legal issues if challenged to.
That's not me saying how I feel suspensions should be imposed, that's me passing on what the guidance is that The FA have given to County FAs.
 
This wouldn’t be practical due to safeguarding of single parent households might run into legal issues if challenged to.
Not really. If a parent can't behave and gets himself / herself banned from a game, and no one else can take their child to play, that is just a consequence of their actions. The child misses out because of the actions of their parent. Although I doubt the suspension would affect them dropping the child off and handing over to one of the club's responsible adults, and then collecting them after the game.
 
Not really. If a parent can't behave and gets himself / herself banned from a game, and no one else can take their child to play, that is just a consequence of their actions. The child misses out because of the actions of their parent. Although I doubt the suspension would affect them dropping the child off and handing over to one of the club's responsible adults, and then collecting them after the game.
I’m just quoting Durham CFA on why it wouldn’t be practical as I was curious so asked the question to our RDO sorry should of clarified.
 
Not really. If a parent can't behave and gets himself / herself banned from a game, and no one else can take their child to play, that is just a consequence of their actions. The child misses out because of the actions of their parent. Although I doubt the suspension would affect them dropping the child off and handing over to one of the club's responsible adults, and then collecting them after the game.
And that is how it works in the laws of the land as well. Some considerations may be given to the impact when setting the 'punishment' but ultimately the innocent suffering the consequences doesn't mean the guilty is not punished.
 
And that is how it works in the laws of the land as well. Some considerations may be given to the impact when setting the 'punishment' but ultimately the innocent suffering the consequences doesn't mean the guilty is not punished.
Not sure I would be at all comfortable with being in any way involved in this outcome 🤢
 
Not sure I would be at all comfortable with being in any way involved in this outcome 🤢
That's how it works though, and not just in football. I remember reading that one of the people in court for the riots last year gave mitigation that he was the breadwinner for his family, and if he was jailed they wouldn't be able to pay the mortgage. He was still jailed and his family suffered as a result of his actions, and probably in a far worse way than a child not being able to play football because their parent had got himself banned from the venue.

Actions have consequences, and they don't always just affect the person performing the actions.
 
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Not sure I would be at all comfortable with being in any way involved in this outcome 🤢
The alternative is worse. It would allow individuals to misuse their position of being responsible for minors as an excuse for their crimes (or the equivalant in football terms) to go unpunished.
 
That's how it works though, and not just in football. I remember reading that one of the people in court for the riots last year gave mitigation that he was the breadwinner for his family, and if he was jailed they wouldn't be able to pay the mortgage. He was still jailed and his family suffered as a result of his actions, and probably in a far worse way than a child not being able to play football because their parent had got himself banned from the venue.

Actions have consequences, and they don't always just affect the person performing the actions.
as I say my CFA see it different when I asked and I tend to agree with them on this.
 
as I say my CFA see it different when I asked and I tend to agree with them on this.
With respect, the opinion of your RDO (who is not part of the Discipline team) is not relevant here. Speak to your CFA Discipline Manager Tracey and you'll find that's not the way it's done.
 

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With respect, the opinion of your RDO (who is not part of the Discipline team) is not relevant here. Speak to your CFA Discipline Manager Tracey and you'll find that's not the way it's done.
involvement with the match does not include spectating have now had this clarified
 
involvement with the match does not include spectating have now had this clarified
Whoever has clarified with you is wrong I'm afraid. A ground ban is just that, a ground ban, which means they are banned from the ground. The poster that @ARF shared really couldn't be any more clear about that.
 
So, you seriously think that a coach who acts like a scrote and gets themselves banned from the ground should still be permitted to attend the ground cos little Johnny can't miss his football game? :eek:
Not to mention abuse the next referee with no chance of personal punishment as he is there as a spectator rather than a coach. It would just make zero sense to ban a coach from a venue but let him attend as a spectator.
 
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