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Pen all day for me. If McCabe is stupid enough to then go and get herself sent off there’s no on else to blame but her. Great to see someone punished properly for OFFINABUS in the pro game for a change.
 
I watched the highlights last night and had, and still have, no doubts about the penalty being the correct decision, so am surprised there's any controversy. Yes she got a faint touch on the ball but James still had possession when the follow through tripped her. As for the red, it's not quite clear but the full clip suggest it was a second yellow for dissent, rather than a red for OFFINABUS:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1883519289912672485
 
All comes down to whether contact is made with the ball or player first. Looking at different angles provided, I’d lean towards the ball being played first. But the footage isn’t 100% conclusive either way.

Whilst getting the ball doesn’t always negate the chance of it being a foul, I’m not convinced this was a foul if the ball was won first. The player has hardly been taken out. Its a trip at very best.

Will say I’m glad referee decided to act on whatever comments were made.
 
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The Gump said:
clip suggest it was a second yellow for dissent, rather than a red for OFFINABUS
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Unless I've missed something, it doesn't look to me like she has raised the yellow a second time, instead opting straight for the red. Definitely would be interesting to see what the WSL report it as.
 
Samuel said:
Unless I've missed something, it doesn't look to me like she has raised the yellow a second time, instead opting straight for the red. Definitely would be interesting to see what the WSL report it as.
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That's true, but it was the fact that when the clip switches to her she's got her yellow out long after carding McCabe for the initial challenge which made me think it was second yellow, but it is inconclusive.
 
I can't find the clip now, but on X this morning I saw another angle which shows she received a caution for the pen (which I thought was harsh tbh). and then you can see her visibly shout at Heaslip before being given her marching orders.
 
The Gump said:
That's true, but it was the fact that when the clip switches to her she's got her yellow out long after carding McCabe for the initial challenge which made me think it was second yellow, but it is inconclusive.
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Theres a clip from another angle.

She shows the yellow card to McCabe, then McCabe gobs off and Heaslip raches straight for her red. A Chelsea player then runs up to Heaslip asking for the red card, so Heaslip brings her arm back round (the one that was going for the red initally) to use it to tell the Chelsea player to go away (meanwhile the yellow is still in the other hand). Then after the Chelsea player backs away she goes back with her right hand to get the red card out and shows it straight away (to McCabe's back, which then meant she had to show her it again when she turned round, which isn't really ideal, but I wouldn't want to be too critical)... but yeah definite straight red.
 
Looks like a very well-spotted foul from the ref - not sure what McCabe was thinking, in the wider shot doing the rounds you can see she clearly says something after her yellow and the red comes out almost straight away.
 
McCabe’s first yellow was the one for dissent, so unless the clip has missed something out she almost definitely got a straight red afterwards.
 
Runner Ref said:
All comes down to whether contact is made with the ball or player first. Looking at different angles provided, I’d lean towards the ball being played first. But the footage isn’t 100% conclusive either way.

Whilst getting the ball doesn’t always negate the chance of it being a foul, I’m not convinced this was a foul if the ball was won first. The player has hardly been taken out. Its a trip at very best.

Will say I’m glad referee decided to act on whatever comments were made.
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I would encourage newer referees on here to ignore the first two paragraphs above.
 
Samuel said:
I can't find the clip now, but on X this morning I saw another angle which shows she received a caution for the pen (which I thought was harsh tbh). and then you can see her visibly shout at Heaslip before being given her marching orders.
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It would be extremely harsh as it was Kim Little that gave the penalty away, not Katie MccCabe 😂

Looks like a yellow for dissent, she's gobbed off and then got a straight red. The length of the suspension will prove it one way or another.
 
Runner Ref said:
You must be really open minded when you’re providing feedback to referees…….
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The reason for the suggestion is the inclusion of "Did he play the ball first?" as an issue when deciding on whether there is an offence. The reverse of that ("Contact with the opponent before the ball is an offence") went out of the LOTG in 1997 and led to the belief that contact with the ball first indicates no offence. We have a lot of newer referees on this forum, and they need to know that contact with the ball is not material in this case where (as you have accepted begrudgingly) there was a tripping offence.
 
ChasObserverRefDeveloper said:
The reason for the suggestion is the inclusion of "Did he play the ball first?" as an issue when deciding on whether there is an offence. The reverse of that ("Contact with the opponent before the ball is an offence") went out of the LOTG in 1997 and led to the belief that contact with the ball first indicates no offence. We have a lot of newer referees on this forum, and they need to know that contact with the ball is not material in this case where (as you have accepted begrudgingly) there was a tripping offence.
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If you bothered to read what I posted, you would have seen that I mentioned winning the ball doesn’t necessarily not mean a foul. That said, this is a trip at the very very worst. But in reality it’s a good clean challenge.

Add to the fact that PGMOL are making laws and guidance up as they go along at the moment, I wouldn’t pay much attention to a ruling change in 1997
 
Runner Ref said:
If you bothered to read what I posted, you would have seen that I mentioned winning the ball doesn’t necessarily not mean a foul. That said, this is a trip at the very very worst. But in reality it’s a good clean challenge.

Add to the fact that PGMOL are making laws and guidance up as they go along at the moment, I wouldn’t pay much attention to a ruling change in 1997
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I think you will find from the earlier parts of this thread that yours is a minority view.
Your opening comments (#5) about "It all comes down to . . . " are what triggered my involvement in this thread - I spend a lot of time reminding people (referees and others) about "S/he got the ball" not negating an offence.
 
But in most instances it will negate the offence. Otherwise it would be a no-contact sport.

Yes there will be times where winning the ball isn’t enough, as the challenge will be rather ‘over the top’. This is hardly that.

I can guarantee that had the referee not given the penalty, no one would be discussing it.
 
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