Indirect free kick on edge of goal area

[DJIC]

Penalised a back pass when GK picked it up inside their goal area.

We now have a ceremonial IFK on edge of the goal area very central.

We covered this recently somewhere on forum of difficulty of stopping encroachment when starting point is 6 yards away.

So, I thought, set the defenders & GK on the goal line between the posts, tell them "both feet must be on the line, they cannot move until the ball is played, are you all already?"

Crucial bit, I did not restart with a whistle, so the charging defenders only moved when the ball was played, not early on a whistle.

May not technically be correct in law? At no stage did I say we'll restart on my whistle but "when I'm ready", but worked a treat.

PS. Goal was scored with no encroachment.

 

[one]

Torn on this. It worked for you so job well done. But note sure what you mean by technically not correct. It is an error in law. You delayed the free kick to set up the wall on the goal line. This mean you were incorrect in law not to whistle for the restart.

The whistle is needed to:
• restart play for:
• free kicks when the appropriate distance is required

 

[socal lurker]

I don’t think I’ve ever had one of these. (I know I just cursed myself for my next game . . . ) I’d use basically the same thing I use at PKs “the whistle is for the kicker, not defenders, you need to stay on the line until the ball is kicked.” And I’d probably add “you don’t want to come off early and let them have a second chance to do this.” I would never do it without the whistle—the defense is entitled to know that the kicker is now allowed to go.

 

[ChasObserverRefDeveloper]

I am trialling with those going through the basic course the call "When the ball moves, you can"
Hopefully simple will prove effective.

 

[Homer Ref]

I thought a ceremonial was played to the whistle?

 

[socal lurker]

I thought a ceremonial was played to the whistle?

You are correct—as @one posted above.

(Historical note. Until relatively recently, the Laws said “signal,” which didn’t necessarily mean a whistle . That gave the R a bit of extra latitude to consider something he had done a “signal” if the attackers jumped the gun and made nothing of it.)

 

[Cowboy Ref]

Penalised a back pass when GK picked it up inside their goal area.

We now have a ceremonial IFK on edge of the goal area very central.

We covered this recently somewhere on forum of difficulty of stopping encroachment when starting point is 6 yards away.

So, I thought, set the defenders & GK on the goal line between the posts, tell them "both feet must be on the line, they cannot move until the ball is played, are you all already?"

Crucial bit, I did not restart with a whistle, so the charging defenders only moved when the ball was played, not early on a whistle.

May not technically be correct in law? At no stage did I say we'll restart on my whistle but "when I'm ready", but worked a treat.

PS. Goal was scored with no encroachment.

You should set the standard wall ten yards away from the kick (really depends on age group). They could set the wall with as many players as they want. You could away with this at youth level, but it would attract criticism at a higher level. These other defenders could sprend wherever in the world they want. But it doesn't seem too big of a deal. Technically the defenders can move before ball is kicked, but they can't move closer.

 

[DJIC]

You should set the standard wall ten yards away from the kick (really depends on age group). They could set the wall with as many players as they want. You could away with this at youth level, but it would attract criticism at a higher level. These other defenders could sprend wherever in the world they want. But it doesn't seem too big of a deal. Technically the defenders can move before ball is kicked, but they can't move closer.

The point I was trying to make, was it is against current law, but better for a referee to manage these free kicks, by not restarting with a whistle.

This was the example from an elite referee managing such a free kick.



As you can see from the still image , the defenders should all have both feet on the goal line before attacker 14 plays the ball, but move early on the referee's whistle, it is accepted by the referee & no retake. My point was a suggested law change, restart without a whistle in this scenario.

✂️ 9.15m

59 seconds · Clipped by DJIC · Original video "Watch Hungary - Netherlands LIVE | UEFA Nations League Group A3" by Viaplay International

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[Homer Ref]

The point I was trying to make, was it is against current law, but better for a referee to manage these free kicks, by not restarting with a whistle.

This was the example from an elite referee managing such a free kick.

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As you can see from the still image , the defenders should all have both feet on the goal line before attacker 14 plays the ball, but move early on the referee's whistle, it is accepted by the referee & no retake. My point was a suggested law change, restart without a whistle in this scenario.

✂️ 9.15m

59 seconds · Clipped by DJIC · Original video "Watch Hungary - Netherlands LIVE | UEFA Nations League Group A3" by Viaplay International

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What if you allowed a quick free kick to be taken here as well then?

 

[DJIC]

What if you allowed a quick free kick to be taken here as well then?

If its quick before I arrive on the scene then fine, unlikely but possible.

Once you are there, you can still say, "we are taking this when I am ready", usually 15+ players in close proximity means it takes some setting up.

 

[JamesL]

One thing to remember which I think could get lost on the carnage of an idfk in the box is the requirement for attackers to be at least 1m away from defensive wall.

I like the idea of no whistle - a perfect solution and prevents any unnecessary yellow cards / retakes.

 

[DJIC]

One thing to remember which I think could get lost on the carnage of an idfk in the box is the requirement for attackers to be at least 1m away from defensive wall.

I like the idea of no whistle - a perfect solution and prevents any unnecessary yellow cards / retakes.

I did send the idea to IFAB & wait their response.

 

[Cowboy Ref]

One thing to remember which I think could get lost on the carnage of an idfk in the box is the requirement for attackers to be at least 1m away from defensive wall.

I like the idea of no whistle - a perfect solution and prevents any unnecessary yellow cards / retakes.

Yep. In U.S. its also not heavily regulated and the refs only regulate the distance of the wall if the taker asks for ten yards or if the wall is so near they can use their common sense to tell. But for attackers being one meter away, they even let them stand next to the wall! Not a lot of people know about this rule. They only recognize the walls distance from taker but not attackers from wall. A short IDFK is fine. as long as the taker doesnt kick it directly into the goal.

 

[socal lurker]

One thing to remember which I think could get lost on the carnage of an idfk in the box is the requirement for attackers to be at least 1m away from defensive wall.

I like the idea of no whistle - a perfect solution and prevents any unnecessary yellow cards / retakes.

Putting aside that it is currently required to whistle, I think not having the whistle raises as many problems as it solves, as players don’t know when they are permitted to play. But I would fully support changing whistle to signal for all restarts—which is how it used to be.

As an attacking team, I think a strong strategy would be to not go right away when the whistle comes. That will force the R to intervene and reset the requirement that defenders wait for the ball to move rather than the whistle.

 

[Peter Grove]

You should set the standard wall ten yards away from the kick (really depends on age group).

Not when it's an attacking free kick on the goal area line you shouldn't. That would mean making some of the defenders stand four yards behind the goal line.

 

[socal lurker]

Yep. In U.S. it’s also not heavily regulated and the refs only regulate the distance of the wall if the taker asks for ten yards or if the wall is so near they can use their common sense to tell. But for attackers being one meter away, they even let them stand next to the wall! Not a lot of people know about this rule. They only recognize the walls distance from taker but not attackers from wall. A short IDFK is fine. as long as the taker doesnt kick it directly into the goal.

I really have no idea where you are drawing a generalization that not a lot of people in the US know the 1 meter requirement. Certainly not my experience.

 

[Archer]

I really have no idea where you are drawing a generalization that not a lot of people in the US know the 1 meter requirement. Certainly not my experience.

Quick, someone reset the sign!

(edit: didn’t work)

 

[Cowboy Ref]

Not when it's an attacking free kick on the goal area line you shouldn't. That would mean making some of the defenders stand four yards behind the goal line.

I didn't consider the box length.

 

[DJIC]

If we see this law change, we can credit the refchat forum

---- Forwarded Message -----
From: lawenquiries IFAB <lawenquiries@theifab.com>
Subject: RE: Enforcing 9.15m from an indirect free kick

Good morning

Thank you for your e mail and suggestion which will be considered at an appropriate stage in our review of the Laws of the Game.

We are grateful to you for taking the time to write to us.

Best wishes

The IFAB

Sent: 27 December 2024 19:41
To: lawenquiries IFAB <lawenquiries@theifab.com>
Subject: Enforcing 9.15m from an indirect free kick

Good evening

Having looked at how hard it is to enforce 9.15m when there is an indirect free kick inside the penalty area, would a law change help that a whistle for the restart is not required.

In practice , the defensive team & GK move forward on the referee’s whistle & not on the first touch.

Using your voice to confirm the defending team are ready would then ensure they only moved on the touch of the ball.

An example here, not the best example of a referee enforcing the 9.15m but an example of how hard & messy this scenario is.
https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx853zhmtUe7veRnBYktXKztpUg-bEFKYW?si=saeMn2DUBsIirD5D

Thanks for your consideration.

 

[one]

If we see this law change, we can credit the refchat forum

---- Forwarded Message -----
From: lawenquiries IFAB <lawenquiries@theifab.com>
Subject: RE: Enforcing 9.15m from an indirect free kick

Good morning

Thank you for your e mail and suggestion which will be considered at an appropriate stage in our review of the Laws of the Game.

We are grateful to you for taking the time to write to us.

Best wishes

The IFAB

Sent: 27 December 2024 19:41
To: lawenquiries IFAB <lawenquiries@theifab.com>
Subject: Enforcing 9.15m from an indirect free kick

Good evening

Having looked at how hard it is to enforce 9.15m when there is an indirect free kick inside the penalty area, would a law change help that a whistle for the restart is not required.

In practice , the defensive team & GK move forward on the referee’s whistle & not on the first touch.

Using your voice to confirm the defending team are ready would then ensure they only moved on the touch of the ball.

An example here, not the best example of a referee enforcing the 9.15m but an example of how hard & messy this scenario is.
https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx853zhmtUe7veRnBYktXKztpUg-bEFKYW?si=saeMn2DUBsIirD5D

Thanks for your consideration.

I can confirm on good authority that some past law changes are already credited to refchat forum.