Jewellery

[zarathustra]

All fence related. Fences have nought to do with football and are encountered in every field
Like I say, Google sports related heart attacks and the hit count will not reflect freak occurrences. Besides, I'm saying I enforce the Law, but i do also have a brain which can accommodate a modicum of common sense. Again, I think we've had this out before so no point subjecting our readers to the same again

All three of those instances were footballers who lost their fingers after rings got caught climbing over fences to retrieve lost balls.

You can just as easily catch a ring when putting up goal nets, as those use hooks.

You can catch a ring in you opponents hair (perhaps more applicable to ladies football) or their clothes, or the goal net during the run of the game.

Not applying the laws of the game isn't applying common sense, it is just simply not doing your job properly. And thereby becoming last week's ref by making lives harder for those of us who do enforce the laws of the game properly.

And before anyone tried the match control argument, I have never ever had a problem telling a player that they have to remove a piece of jewelry.

 

[Big Cat]

You can catch a ring in you opponents hair

You're not exactly convincing me

 

[zarathustra]

You're not exactly convincing me

Of course, because rings can't get caught in clothing or hair.

You can say you're using "common sense" but what you're really doing is copping out of doing your job properly and applying the laws of the game correctly.

I suppose next youll try and tell me that you ignore laws because you want to increase participation, even though that isn't your responsibility.

 

[Big Cat]

Of course, because rings can't get caught in clothing or hair.

You can say you're using "common sense" but what you're really doing is copping out of doing your job properly and applying the laws of the game correctly.

I suppose next youll try and tell me that you ignore laws because you want to increase participation, even though that isn't your responsibility.

No further interest from me. Repetition is repetitive and adds no value to the discussion

 

[zarathustra]

No further interest from me. Repetition is repetitive and adds no value to the discussion

I know, it's hard when you have no come back to simple facts.

 

[RustyRef]

No further interest from me. Repetition is repetitive and adds no value to the discussion

In fairness you can't expect to come on here and post that you ignore a law that is based on player safety, and quote the "nanny state" in the process, yet expect to not get any comeback.

 

[Big Cat]

In fairness you can't expect to come on here and post that you ignore a law that is based on player safety, and quote the "nanny state" in the process, yet expect to not get any comeback.

You have taken excerpts from what I said to unfairly represent my opinion without accounting for what I've said overall
My approach is now always, wedding bands off or you ain't playing. At grass roots only, if it transpires that a player must go home, I'll relent on the basis that the player knows in no uncertain terms that this is going to be a problem for him week on week. I admit that I care more about that player's participation more than I do about a very negligible risk. I care vehemently that I deal with RP, SFP and VC which pose incomparable risk
BTW I frequently post stuff which will attract 'comeback', so your expectation of my expectation is slightly off!

 

[RustyRef]

You have taken excerpts from what I said to unfairly represent my opinion without accounting for what I've said overall
My approach is now always, wedding bands off or you ain't playing. At grass roots only, if it transpires that a player must go home, I'll relent on the basis that the player knows in no uncertain terms that this is going to be a problem for him week on week. I admit that I care more about that player's participation more than I do about a very negligible risk. I care vehemently that I deal with RP, SFP and VC which pose incomparable risk
BTW I frequently post stuff which will attract 'comeback', so your expectation of my expectation is slightly off!

But you are still wrong, even if just for one player. This is about as black and white as it comes, there is no in the opinion of the referee.

 

[Big Cat]

But you are still wrong, even if just for one player. This is about as black and white as it comes, there is no in the opinion of the referee.

I'm not wrong with respect to my values, but of course I'm wrong in Law
You may know, why are we seeing EPL players with tape on their ring fingers?

 

[RustyRef]

I'm not wrong with respect to my values, but of course I'm wrong in Law
You may know, why are we seeing EPL players with tape on their ring fingers?

There's nothing underneath it, players have been doing that for years. They get grief from 'er indoors for taking their ring off so cover it up so that she doesn't know he has taken it off.

 

[Big Cat]

There's nothing underneath it, players have been doing that for years. They get grief from 'er indoors for taking their ring off so cover it up so that she doesn't know he has taken it off.

And how does the referee know there's nothing underneath it?
And how helpful is this practice to the rest of us referees when billions are watching?

 

[PinnerPaul]

Agree with above 100%, problem is (again!) top level seem to be allowing rings to be taped.

Please, please, please don't try and make an excuse for it by saying I don't know if there is a ring underneath.

Harry Kane is married and is wearing tape on his wedding ring fnger - what do you think is underneath it?

Jamie Vardy, Nakki Wells from 'my' team - make just 3 that come to mind instantly - if you look you can find lots more I'm sure.

Doesn't stop us doing OUR jobs I know but amakes the statement 'No one is allowed to tape up jewellery' patently untrue!

 

[PinnerPaul]

There's nothing underneath it, players have been doing that for years. They get grief from 'er indoors for taking their ring off so cover it up so that she doesn't know he has taken it off.

Yeah right, that would be it!

Sorry RR, but that's patent nonsense - any Mrs whose husbands earn what they earn would accept them having to take wedding ring off for 90' once or twice a week!

 

[RustyRef]

Yeah right, that would be it!

I've checked loads over the years at senior level and that has always been the case. That's how I know the answer, I've asked the players and also spoken to Football League referees about it.

 

[PinnerPaul]

And evry wife has the same gripe and every tape is checked to make sure there is nothing underneath?

Just doesn't add up sorry - also why has it just started to be more prevalent?

 

[Big Cat]

Besides, the tape could pull an opponent's hair or some other unlikely tragedy...haha

 

[PinnerPaul]

Never really understood why refs take rings off, yet we have a whistle and two watches on, all three much bigger and more likely to cause an injury than a ring.

 

[zarathustra]

Never really understood why refs take rings off, yet we have a whistle and two watches on, all three much bigger and more likely to cause an injury than a ring.

It's specially mentioned in the laws that refs aren't allowed to wear any other jewelry, though I think this was only added this season or last season.

But even if that wasn't in there I think it would be harder to make a player take off their wedding ring while I'm still wearing mine.

But, when I'm not wearing mine it makes it an easier decision to sell, but I can point to the mark on my finger and say "I've had to take mine off too", you thereby put the decision to remove jewelry onto the FA etc, so you and the player are both having to follow pointless laws passed down from on high.

 

[RustyRef]

And evry wife has the same gripe and every tape is checked to make sure there is nothing underneath?

Just doesn't add up sorry - also why has it just started to be more prevalent?

Couldn't comment, but more often or not when I've checked there is nothing under the tape, or more recently it isn't tape and rather a cloth type thing that slots on. It's the same with the tape they put on their wrists, I was always suspicious of that but never found anything underneath it, and when you see pro players being subbed they take it off and there is nothing there. Can't for the life of me figure what benefit taping up one wrist gives you, but increasing numbers do it.

 

[PinnerPaul]

Couldn't comment, but more often or not when I've checked there is nothing under the tape, or more recently it isn't tape and rather a cloth type thing that slots on. It's the same with the tape they put on their wrists, I was always suspicious of that but never found anything underneath it, and when you see pro players being subbed they take it off and there is nothing there. Can't for the life of me figure what benefit taping up one wrist gives you, but increasing numbers do it.

Fair enough but can't accept that there is nothing underneath ALL that tape. In fact having watched the kit 'check' in the tunnel at QPR (Club posted an 'access all areas' video) ,to call it 'cursory' would be an understatement! Certainly didn't include asking Mr Wells to show his finger under the tape!