RefIADad
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Taylor and Oliver both going. Two good young Central American referees going ( Said Martinez and Ivan Barton). Katy Nesbitt is a deserved AR choice from the US. She is our Sian Massey-Ellis, but just taller.
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Taylor and Oliver both going. Two good young Central American referees going ( Said Martinez and Ivan Barton). Katy Nesbitt is a deserved AR choice from the US. She is our Sian Massey-Ellis, but just taller.
Not sure why Massey-Ellis doesn't take one of the 4 AR slots, has her level dropped that much recently?
Other big talking point from this list is that while England is one of only 3 countries that gets to send two referees, we're also the only big European league not to supply a VAR. Riley et al have some questions to answer there I think.
Other big talking point from this list is that while England is one of only 3 countries that gets to send two referees, we're also the only big European league not to supply a VAR. Riley et al have some questions to answer there I think.
Think it is probably more to do with the fact she has been injured all season
Why does England only get to send 2 referees? Seems bonkers to me compared to other countries like Brazil who at a simple glance had at least 3.
Who else would they send apart from AT and MO
I think you need to have a further look. No country has more than 2 referees.
Don't know I was only asking why we are only allowed 2
What do you mean by that?
Anubis
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Thought Atwell be a stick on for VAR, certainly looks like a slap in face ( maybe much needed) to Rilley.
The two refs who are going, candidates for opening game or final ( subject to Englands involvment obv), both are excellent, Taylor more so in Euro fixtures, Oliver is excellent in both
Frapart is a worthy addition, stick any suggestion as per above that she is not there or maybe not there, on merit so far where the sun dont shine. Sickening to read such insinuations on a referee site of all pages, save that for Sport Bible facebook or similar gutter media
The two refs who are going, candidates for opening game or final ( subject to Englands involvment obv), both are excellent, Taylor more so in Euro fixtures, Oliver is excellent in both
Frapart is a worthy addition, stick any suggestion as per above that she is not there or maybe not there, on merit so far where the sun dont shine. Sickening to read such insinuations on a referee site of all pages, save that for Sport Bible facebook or similar gutter media
As said, I am sure she is a top class official, however it I am surprised that she gets the nod over Bastien
deusex
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Oh get off your virtue signalling horse.
Is referee selection suddenly a bastion of meritoracy?
Good referees have been overlooked for weaker referees for decades from local level to World Cups.
Let's not pretend ability alone is enough and referee politics doesn't exist.
Anubis
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Lets not pretend Oliver and Taylor are not fantastic referees
Who would you send, old Bert from the Cumbria Salvation Army Sunday league as its totally unfair he aint going yet Oliver is
deusex
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The maximum number of (centre) referees for any country is two. England, Brazil, France and Argentina have this honour. When you consider that other football powerhouses like Germany, Spain and Italy are only sending one, this is a strong achievement. Four ARs to go with these two in the middle makes sense. I'd guess that the fifth Brazil AR is there to support another South American ref whose country does not have the required level of ARs.
As others have said, the only issue for England is the lack of VAR representation. However I personally feel this is justified given the more 'maverick' way that VAR has been implemented in the EPL
In other news, I was AR last weekend to Mark Rule (one of the New Zealand officials going) in front of a stunning crowd of 143
Didn't realise Simon Jordan had joined the forum (if you listen to talk sport you'll get it) ...
Don't see the politics thing. England have their best two referees selected, and it is seemingly accepted that the EPL is the top league in the world hence why we get two. Frappart gets big games in France and has proved herself as an excellent referee.
@Anubis was reacting to the post about Frappart not being there on merit, and on this occasion was absolutely spot on.
deusex
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Didn't realise Simon Jordan had joined the forum (if you listen to talk sport you'll get it) ...
Don't see the politics thing. England have their best two referees selected, and it is seemingly accepted that the EPL is the top league in the world hence why we get two. Frappart gets big games in France and has proved herself as an excellent referee.
@Anubis was reacting to the post about Frappart not being there on merit, and on this occasion was absolutely spot on.
Okay, so all 100+ referees that have been selected are the best that could have been chosen and no referee ever has got a top appointment because of other factors?
Are we really pretending we live in such a world?
You think a referee is the best in France, another thinks they are the 2nd best in France. What a monster he must be!
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Generally the cream rises to the top. Yes there are politics in refereeing, just as there are in almost every sport and profession. I've seen people promoted to positions well above their capability in work situations. I'd actually say it is much more prevalent in work situations as those promoted beyond their ability often get away with it by hiding behind other more capable people and then stealing their credit, that obviously isn't an option for a referee, you are in the view of everyone.
Is it the best 100 officials in the World? Probably not, because each country is restricted to two main referees, and I'd hazard a guess that some of the Spanish, German and Italian referees that have missed out are probably technically better than some of the referees selected from lesser nations. But that's no different to it not being the best performing referee that does the FA Cup final each year, some of the better L4 referees might miss out on L3 each season because of where they live, etc.
In my experience those moaning about politics in refereeing are almost always those who have missed out and are looking for someone else to blame.
Anubis
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Its as if Rusty hacked my pc and typed for me
its a given politics plays a part exact same as any other walk of life
Using England as the example, because its the example most of us are most common with, Englands two best referees, proven, are going.
Nobody can reallly ask for much more than that.
to make it relevent to grass roots, sometimes there will be 5 candidates for promotion but only 3 places. ' Politcs' could easy be code word for, " hardly attended association meetings' ' had poorest admin', ' reputation for arriving late at games' ' unreliable due to work rota'. can even be, through nobodys fault, where they referee and the standard of that regions league" Very rare candidate 5 will hold hands up and say, well, the other 4 were better than me, far easier to say, well, my face did not fit.
just throwing in small example of Clatenburg, if politics was key he would have been nowhere near his Champ League and Euros final as PGMOL hated him
However, they recognised his outstanding ability and that was the over riding factor.