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Two players fouling each other

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matty639

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Level 5 Referee
Was on the senior line today and had an incident in the 24th minute of the game. Terrible conditions and ball breaks out near just inside the centre circle nearest me on what I will be honest was a very narrow pitch.

Blue 9 and yellow 4 immediately dart towards it facing each other. I have my eye more so on yellow 4 as I sensed he was going to go in hard. He then jumps in through the air with his left foot leading the right slightly back, as he lands he takes the ball and his second foot comes through. I wince as he does this and immediately bring my flag up as I can't make eye contact with the ref to see what he's doing. As I was concentrating on the yellow I've not really seen what blue 9 has done but then hear yellow 9 scream out. Ref immediately sends off blue 9 which took me by surprise.

As he's dealing with injured player, I'm stood there thinking what should I do and decide given what I saw that I had to let him know. I call the ref over and say that yellow 4 was off the floor and used far too excessive force to attempt to win the ball. Ref asks me what I think he should do and I say he has to be red as well. Ref sends off yellow 4.

Typically the bench go nuts and I face a load of grief for the remainder of the game. Assessor said after the game said I got it wrong and tried to make me feel guilty by telling me that it could have changed the game and yellow team have now been relegated. But I still feel that if your off your feet jumping in at full pelt it's excessive force, it doesn't need two feet to be serious foul play. The fact that he got to the ball first and was fouled himself is irrelevant. I keep thinking of Jonjo Shelvey and Johnny Evans as a similar incident.
 
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There were no development points, he was only concerned with the ref and was only talking to me because I was involved with that incident.
 
personally i never tell a ref what he should do, even if he asks. Let him make the decision - give them all the details you think are relevant then let the ref decide.
 
For me an assessor shouldn't tell you whether it was a wrong decision maybe point out things but not say that.
At the end of the day it's how the referee saw the incident and not how the assessor saw it. Both people see the incident at different angles and with different players in way of eye line.
 
I didn't bother to mention that I was 12-13 ish yards away and he was easily 30-40 yards away but he had the better view apparently.
 
As an AR, it's all in the job title - Assistant Referee.
You are there to assist the referee, not to do his job. If you saw something that the referee didn't, you should let him know what you saw and let him decide what action is required. You;ve seen the foul and flagged it, the referee missed it, so you told him what you saw. Job done!

Not your decision to Red the Yellow #4, all you can do is tell Ref what you saw, the rest is up to him.

AANd yes, the assessor was well out of line with that comment - it's not your fault yellows were relegated, it's theirs.
 
Do you know the assessors name? I'd report the assessor for making a comment like that
 
I do obviously know his name. You will no doubt either have heard of him or will do when you progress under the Welsh FA.
 
MattyontheWhistle said:
As an AR, it's all in the job title - Assistant Referee.
You are there to assist the referee, not to do his job. If you saw something that the referee didn't, you should let him know what you saw and let him decide what action is required. You;ve seen the foul and flagged it, the referee missed it, so you told him what you saw. Job done!

Not your decision to Red the Yellow #4, all you can do is tell Ref what you saw, the rest is up to him.
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Matty while I can see what your saying I don't completely agree with you. We are all qualified referee's in our own right and should be able to make decisions based on what we saw according to the LOTG.

Matty639: Based on what you have said I would've done exactly as the referee did in your game, he came over listened to what you had to say followed by what action you would take and carried it out. The referee in this case maybe didn't see what yellow #4 did as his vision might have been impeded. You are a qualified referee and have applied the laws correctly IMO.

The assessor should keep comments like that to himself it is certainly not beneficial to you or the game and i believe that is one of the reasons we have so many referee's drop out and not return as they are not supported well enough. As for the team being relegated that is their own fault for not scoring enough and winning the games that they need to stay in that particular division.
 
Dave, I had another incident yesterday where I had seen a player kick out at another and the ref asked what I thought should be done. He said in his pre match brief the same as you did, your a qualified ref so if I've missed something then inform me and advise me on what action we should take.

At the end of the day we are a team and I wouldn't feel comfortable making a full desicion on something that I haven't seen, I have and will ask my officials or offer my action if I'm an assistant if it ensures the correct decision is made.
 
Dave87 said:
Matty while I can see what your saying I don't completely agree with you. We are all qualified referee's in our own right and should be able to make decisions based on what we saw according to the LOTG.
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You are right, but we cannot card a player as an AR. My point, perhaps not well put, was that all we can do as Assistant, is to give the referee all the pertinent information and as far as possible without opinion. If he asks for your opinion, fair enough, if he asks for corroboration "So it's a red card then?" then we can give it.

As an assistant, it is not part of our responsibility to tell the referee what to do, or not to do.
 
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