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Throw ins - just a couple of things

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Wolf_Ref

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Hi

Couple of things.

If a player is taking too long to take a throw should the throw be awarded to other team or a caution for delaying the restart? Seen both given, and not sure which is more appropriate.

What are your main criteria for a ‘foul throw’? Not sure if many of you feel similar to I do, but there are a lot of dodgy throws these days, and I find myself only penalising the absolutely blatant ones, when, if I am honest, I should award more!
 
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Under no circumstances can a TI be given to the other team for taking too long. It’s a caution or nothing.

from my perspective, I only look for blatantly bad throws, and consider everything else trifling. the caveat on that is the player who is launching the ball a long distance—if you are trying to turn aTI into the equivalent of a CK, I expect you to do it completely properl.
 
SurreyWolves said:
Hi

Couple of things.

If a player is taking too long to take a throw should the throw be awarded to other team or a caution for delaying the restart? Seen both given, and not sure which is more appropriate.

What are your main criteria for a ‘foul throw’? Not sure if many of you feel similar to I do, but there are a lot of dodgy throws these days, and I find myself only penalising the absolutely blatant ones, when, if I am honest, I should award more!
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You cannot reverse the direction of throw, as the ball is out of play.
For delaying the restart, usually a warning then if repeated a caution.
There are lots of alleals about allegedly foul throws, but usually very few occur. In open age football, a foul throw decision is usually accepted by players and they adjust on later throws.
 
Good to know.

Why do you think I have seen TIs given to other side - could it be the thrower moving away from the original place too much?

Good to iron out any grey areas!!
 
SurreyWolves said:
Good to know.

Why do you think I have seen TIs given to other side - could it be the thrower moving away from the original place too much?

Good to iron out any grey areas!!
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If taken from the wrong place, the throw is reversed, and should then be taken by the other team from the original correct location.
Proactive referees use voice and/or the whstle to locate throws early in the game, as this usually leads to players being less likely to try it on.
 
ChasObserverRefDeveloper said:
If taken from the wrong place, the throw is reversed, and should then be taken by the other team from the original correct location.
Proactive referees use voice and/or the whstle to locate throws early in the game, as this usually leads to players being less likely to try it on.
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Thanks.

Just trying to make sure I don't misinterpret the LotG!

For me to give a foul throw it has to be blatent and obvious.
 
As I have mentioned elsewhere, I am a follower of Non League football and have brought various incidents to your attention for an expert assessment.
On the subject of Throw-ins, practically every game I go to I notice that players launch a long throw by spinning the ball with one hand, as observed by the pronounced sideways spin imparted, yet I have not seen one penalised. I have mentioned this to an official Observer who has agreed that it is an incorrect throw. Have any of you, firstly, noticed this in your games and second, do any of you penalise it?
 
The Don said:
As I have mentioned elsewhere, I am a follower of Non League football and have brought various incidents to your attention for an expert assessment.
On the subject of Throw-ins, practically every game I go to I notice that players launch a long throw by spinning the ball with one hand, as observed by the pronounced sideways spin imparted, yet I have not seen one penalised. I have mentioned this to an official Observer who has agreed that it is an incorrect throw. Have any of you, firstly, noticed this in your games and second, do any of you penalise it?
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Yes and I have always been of the opinion it is legal throw, providing the ball is delivered from behind and over the head and both feet are on the ground, on or behind the line.
No mention of spinning in Lotg.
 
Thanks. The official Observer I mentioned, said that the player should use both hands to deliver the ball and not use one as a guide.

edit. I assume he meant that both hands should be used to propel the ball rather than one being used to guide the ball and the other acting as the force of the throw.
 
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It used to be (think 70s) that sideways spin was taught as a sign the throw in was improper. The older language in Law 15 was understood to imply that it was supposed to be thrown equally with both hands and the sideways spin means it wasn’t. Under current language, there is nothing that implies equality. One hand being more dominant is absolutely OK, and sideways spin doesn’t mean it was improper. (Yes, if it was thrown with on,y one hand and the other was on,y a guide, that would be a foul thro— but the clues would be in watching the player and his arms, not the spin of the ball.
 
socal lurker said:
It used to be (think 70s) that sideways spin was taught as a sign the throw in was improper. The older language in Law 15 was understood to imply that it was supposed to be thrown equally with both hands and the sideways spin means it wasn’t. Under current language, there is nothing that implies equality. One hand being more dominant is absolutely OK, and sideways spin doesn’t mean it was improper. (Yes, if it was thrown with on,y one hand and the other was on,y a guide, that would be a foul thro— but the clues would be in watching the player and his arms, not the spin of the ball.
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Agree.

And, at the end of the day it's just a bloody throw-in ie. a means of getting the ball back into play.

Why coaches/players/referees have to go looking for technical crap (that isn't even mentioned in Law 15) always amazes me.
 
A game of mine on Saturday (over 35s), a defender took a throw in 20 yards closer to his own goal that he should have (he took it quickly before opposition could catch up). I blew whistle and told him he had to move 20 yards forward to where it went out. He wasn't happy and neither was his team and after I explained the law to them, the response was "everyday is a school day". I could have called a foul throw, but considering the level, a retake further up the pitch wasn't challenged by opposition.

I also continue to use the phrase someone mentioned here on many throw ins "that throw in was ugly but it was legal".
 
Macca said:
A game of mine on Saturday (over 35s), a defender took a throw in 20 yards closer to his own goal that he should have (he took it quickly before opposition could catch up). I blew whistle and told him he had to move 20 yards forward to where it went out. He wasn't happy and neither was his team and after I explained the law to them, the response was "everyday is a school day". I could have called a foul throw, but considering the level, a retake further up the pitch wasn't challenged by opposition.

I also continue to use the phrase someone mentioned here on many throw ins "that throw in was ugly but it was legal".
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If the team are choosing to take the throw in further back from where it went out of play then I'm not getting involved.

In terms of foul throws, it really has to be obvious and outrageous for me to give it. Throw in's are about getting the game restarted, don't go looking for trouble/make the game more difficult than it needs to be!
 
ChasObserverRefDeveloper said:
If taken from the wrong place, the throw is reversed, and should then be taken by the other team from the original correct location.
Proactive referees use voice and/or the whstle to locate throws early in the game, as this usually leads to players being less likely to try it on.
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Just a bit confused on reversing a throw...

If a team takes a throw 10 yards up the field from where it's gone out, is it then given as a throw to the opposing team? I usually whistle and ask the player to move back 10 yards before retaking.
 
Libano Ref said:
Just a bit confused on reversing a throw...

If a team takes a throw 10 yards up the field from where it's gone out, is it then given as a throw to the opposing team? I usually whistle and ask the player to move back 10 yards before retaking.
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Taking the throw from an improper location is a violation of TI procedure that results in a TI for the other team.

Proactive refereeing is to address before the TI is taken--and then if they ignore you, it is much easier to sell the call when you award the other team the TI.
 
Libano Ref said:
Just a bit confused on reversing a throw...

If a team takes a throw 10 yards up the field from where it's gone out, is it then given as a throw to the opposing team? I usually whistle and ask the player to move back 10 yards before retaking.
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In younger age groups (Mini soccer) we educate as we go along, and the process varies by age group. .
In ages 12 and above, and in open age football, the LOTG require a throw for the other team.
Telling the thrower "In your half, ten" or "Three yards back" or similar BEFORE the throw works well, and often players are soon asking "Here, ref?"
 
To slightly hijack this thread.
Can a thrower have his foot in the field of play as long as part of his foots on the touchline?

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