'Technical' and 'Dangerous' reds
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The Bstard
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Not intended to be patronising, just saying that it's experience that has taught me this.
As for a 'duty,' I'm of the opinion that my 'duty' is toward the player's enjoyment and to the rules combined: that;s my opinion, and you are welcome to disagree.
I'm not sure of what 'last week's ref' means - could you enlighten?
I think you're dissillusioned.
When you turn up to a game a player is happy to see you. "Alright ref we got you again?!"
You reply yes.
"great" his team mate who's never seen you before says to him, have we got a decent ref? No he'll let you get away with anything.
You're being liked for the wrong reasons.
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Yacinho
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But this is DOGSO, it's not up to discussion, it's not like a foul that may or may not be worth a yellow, not like a moaning that may or may not be dissent. Dogso is dogso, if you don't agree with a rule that clear, then don't play football, to me it's like saying "yeah the ball didnt COMPLETLY enter the goal but come on, this is park football, I don't want to ruin the old guy's day, let this be a goal !"
bester
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At least he's honest. Most referees particularly at parks level make some poor excuse for not giving DOGSO then start believing it. Sounds like the defender has done the OP like a kipper with the best mates routine.
There's a good reason for the player to go down, far too many referees will use an excuse of a player not going down to not give anything at all!
There's a good reason for the player to go down, far too many referees will use an excuse of a player not going down to not give anything at all!
HertsFinest
Next Weeks Ref
I will be careful not to be offensive here
Last weeks ref: referees that do not apply the laws correctly and cite match control as a reason. Make it impossible for next week's ref to sell decisions and punishments because "last weeks ref didn't say that ref"
It is a nonsense to claim applying the laws damages players enjoyment. It doesn't. Players know not to Do things like DOGSO. If they are silly enough to do it, they deserve the card and fine. That's football and what they signed up to do
The Bstard
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My argument here is that 'technical' reds are, at low level, match dependent. They shouldn't be, but it is. And I'd like to argue that more than half the referees I see, particularly those who referee at Supply level and above normally, are of a similar mindset.
The Bstard
Active Member
Again, a difference of opinion. I, personally, value match control above all. And I will happily stand up and be 'Last Week's Ref'.
But I'm happy to agree to disagree, in this situation.
But I'm happy to agree to disagree, in this situation.
HertsFinest
Next Weeks Ref
I still fail to see how not giving a DOGSO does anything positive to your match control.
The Bstard
Active Member
Level 4
I can't believe what I'm reading here.
As I read it, the defender was guilty of DOGSO. You got on well with him so you made an EXCUSE not to send him off. 100% not acceptable.
I don't buy the match control argument either. You said it yourself, the player was expecting to be sent off; in failing to do so, your match control was arguably damaged more than if you'd dismissed him.
In failing to send off a player who was clearly guilty of DOGSO, you have let down your colleagues and become a prime example of 'last weeks ref'.
As I read it, the defender was guilty of DOGSO. You got on well with him so you made an EXCUSE not to send him off. 100% not acceptable.
I don't buy the match control argument either. You said it yourself, the player was expecting to be sent off; in failing to do so, your match control was arguably damaged more than if you'd dismissed him.
In failing to send off a player who was clearly guilty of DOGSO, you have let down your colleagues and become a prime example of 'last weeks ref'.
HertsFinest
Next Weeks Ref
Level 4
Level 4 and you think refereeing is about letting lads play football and its meaningless results to them?
The Bstard
Active Member
At some levels, with some players, yes.
No. It's a different level, with different expectations.
HertsFinest
Next Weeks Ref
Having played at Sunday league level and supply level I can assure you the passion is the same
deusex
RefChat Addict
Note: DaveMac is quoting the bstard here.
Bstard, If you have indeed written this, you sir are the reason I then have to issue 5 cautions and 2 red cards the following week because the players think anything goes. This attitude stinks and to be quite frank, the game would be better off without refs with this attitude.
Any ref that doesn't send in cards lacks integrity and has no business refereeing.
The Bstard
Active Member
And you are welcome to that opinion, and I am going to disagree. In my opinion, I am there to facilitate a match within my control, and to the enjoyment of myself and players.
I may, by law, be wrong, and I may cause an issue for the next referee if they cannot control the match. I accept that, and perhaps shouldn't do it. But I do not accept that my integrity is lacking.
I may, by law, be wrong, and I may cause an issue for the next referee if they cannot control the match. I accept that, and perhaps shouldn't do it. But I do not accept that my integrity is lacking.
You are the reason why next weeks ref can't control the match!!!
The players expect to get away with everything and kick off when the referee does their job properly. Putting your colleagues in that position is totally wrong.