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Spurs WBA Mike Jones - title run in decisions?

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In the background news has come in that Vardy will be banned from the MU game, which is an excellent move in support of Moss.

So, last night, Kyle Walker (and his shifty eyes) has handbags off the field with Rondon (I believe). They both take sly kicks at each other after the ball is out, and Rondon throws the ball at Walker.

Only a "stiff talking to" from Jones.

Last week's ref in action. They had to go in the book, surely?

And surely, an incident like this, and giving no punishment, is directly linked to Alli's off the ball punch, no?
The players think they can get away with it, subconsciously or not.

If, and that's a big if, the title was still a race, and Alli does get a three match ban, which would mean missing the rest of the season, would there be more attention of Jones' handling of the earlier incident?

I thought Jones looked fairly leaden during this game. Probably fortunate that there was not a "big" decision to make.

The other one that caught my eye was Sessengon (sic) cutting inside and fouled by Evans already on a yellow... arguments for a second yellow?

(Spurs incredibly unlucky not to be 3-0 up - they played amazingly at times as much as it pains me)
 
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Didn't see most of the first half, but based on what I saw, WBA looked good value for their point.

The Walker/Rondon incident seemed to be one of those where the media will rip the referee to shreds regards if and what action he takes. Had shown Jones grown a pair and showed both players a straight red for violent conduct, idiots like Garth Crooks would go into meltdown about how it's not about the referee and he has a duty to keep it 11v11 blah blah blah.

Some will say it was sensible refereeing in just dishing out a talking to, we all know with most players that goes straight in one ear and out the other, but he's certainly making a rod for his own back if kicking out at an opponent prompting the player of the receiving end to react by throwing the ball at his opponent isn't deemed worth of a card.

Said it many times before, whilst there's no doubt Jones has done well to be considered good enough to referee at the highest level of English domestic football, for me he is the weakest of the Select group by some distance!
 
The rondon and walker thing was a bit of handbags - to say they kicked out is a little strong, it was more petulance from both. Could have been a caution for both players, but in fairness a talking to was enough, game didn't need anything more. Good refereeing in that instance.
 
Mooseybaby said:
Didn't see most of the first half, but based on what I saw, WBA looked good value for their point.

The Walker/Rondon incident seemed to be one of those where the media will rip the referee to shreds regards if and what action he takes. Had shown Jones grown a pair and showed both players a straight red for violent conduct, idiots like Garth Crooks would go into meltdown about how it's not about the referee and he has a duty to keep it 11v11 blah blah blah.

Some will say it was sensible refereeing in just dishing out a talking to, we all know with most players that goes straight in one ear and out the other, but he's certainly making a rod for his own back if kicking out at an opponent prompting the player of the receiving end to react by throwing the ball at his opponent isn't deemed worth of a card.

Said it many times before, whilst there's no doubt Jones has done well to be considered good enough to referee at the highest level of English domestic football, for me he is the weakest of the Select group by some distance!
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do you think he is a worse referee than lee mason
 
Alli has got 3 games. Now I can ask the questions:

If Jones had carded Rondon and Walker, would Alli still have lashed later in the game?
Was Jones overawed by the title run in occasion, hence only one yellow in the game?
 
santa sangria said:
Alli has got 3 games. Now I can ask the questions:

If Jones had carded Rondon and Walker, would Alli still have lashed later in the game?
Was Jones overawed by the title run in occasion, hence only one yellow in the game?
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Alli lashing out was Alli's fault and Alli's responsibility. This is the classic sort of nonsense that we all have to put up with each week with people blaming the ref for the players' lack of self control.
 
There's an argument to say if MJ had done something about some of the dubious fouls Yacob committed through the game, would Alli had lashed out?
 
J-K said:
There's an argument to say if MJ had done something about some of the dubious fouls Yacob committed through the game, would Alli had lashed out?
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I'm not convinced that it's the referee's fault if a player acts like a child and lashes out? These are grown men, professional footballers and we're blaming a referee!

Criticise his decision making all you like, but don't suggest it's his fault that the player lost his temper.
 
Who's saying anything about fault, I was pointing out if he had done something then another thing might not have happened
 
J-K said:
Who's saying anything about fault, I was pointing out if he had done something then another thing might not have happened
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And it's equally possible that even if he had done something, Alli might still have lashed out - it's not as if this is the first time he's done something like this. In fact this kind of behaviour has already been mentioned several times by various pundits and commentators as being the one thing that might blight what otherwise looks like being a very promising career.
 
J-K said:
Who's saying anything about fault, I was pointing out if he had done something then another thing might not have happened
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I just don't think this is a fair argument to make. Yes, referees have a duty of care - but does that extend to tracking the mental state of 22 other grown men and stopping them before they lose their rag?

It's his job to make the best decisions possible, but I don't think it's fair to expect him to adjust his decision (ie. counteract a decision he felt was right at the time) because Ali is feeling childish.
 
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GraemeS said:
I just don't think this is a fair argument to make. Yes, referees have a duty of care - but does that extend to tracking the mental state of 22 other grown men and stopping them before they lose their rag?

It's his job to make the best decisions possible, but I don't think it's fair to expect him to adjust his decision (ie. counteract a decision he felt was right at the time) because Ali is feeling childish.
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Agreed.
We live in a "blame culture society" these days where everybody always seems to be falling over themselves to avoid taking responsibility for their own actions. It's always somebody else's fault or some corporation's fault or the fault of some other "authority figure".

Ali acted like a scrote of his own freewill and should be treated as such. :)
 
GraemeS said:
does that extend to tracking the mental state of 22 other grown men and stopping them before they lose their rag?.
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If a player at any level infringes the LOTG then they have no one else to blame but themselves. That said, the more we, as referees, can sense the overall temperature both of the whole match and of individual players the more likely we are to be able to take preventative measures proactively (a quiet word, talking to the captain etc.).

As an example, in my cup final last night I was happy that I successfully used the captains to calm down a couple of players who I could see were getting wound up. But I failed to prevent another frustrated player committing a second yellow card offence in the 90th minute. I feel bad about that .. not so much for the player but more for the spectators as it interrupted the flow of a game that was coming to an exciting conclusion.
 
J-K said:
Who's saying anything about fault, I was pointing out if he had done something then another thing might not have happened
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True, and if my grandmother had wheels she would have been a bike.

In all seriousness, you're right, but he didn't do something else. He did what he did, and Alli did what he did.

Maybe a card earlier in the game would have stopped Alli from doing what he did, but until The FA issue us all with a time machine, all we can do is use our knowledge and experience to try and make decisions which will have a favourable impact on our match control further down the line.
 
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