Sin Bins
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AWKent
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Thank you. This was my worry!!
AWKent
I'm right 50% of the time
Evidently from my RDO, because a sin bin is a temporary suspension from the game, the match isnt abandoned.
one
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Then you RDO is not following the lotg (and if a competition rule allows it, they don't follow it either).
Although the second paragraph only applies to deliberate leaving, the same concept applies for sin-bin. Otherwise in theory you can end up with one player in a team. I wont go to the extent of explaining how a team with one player restarts a game.
Ciley Myrus
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Ciley Myrus
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I dont use the sin bins but can you get the rdo to explain?
Esp in my head if there is 5 mins to go and you have your less than 7, that temporary becomes perment surely.....(am working on basis the guys in sin bin will still be in there for longer than the remaining five mins)
holbeach ref
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This is from something sent out by the FA last year.
What happens if a temporarily dismissed player results in the team having less than 7 players?
Unless it is not the player’s 2nd temporary dismissal in the match, the match continues as the player is still under the jurisdiction of the referee. If it is the player’s 2nd temporary dismissal, the match will be abandoned at the point of going down to less than 7 players.
What happens if a temporarily dismissed player results in the team having less than 7 players?
Unless it is not the player’s 2nd temporary dismissal in the match, the match continues as the player is still under the jurisdiction of the referee. If it is the player’s 2nd temporary dismissal, the match will be abandoned at the point of going down to less than 7 players.
one
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what does being under jurisdiction have to do with it. Aren't injured players on the bench under the jurisdiction of the referee? Really need to look into why the "minimum seven" law was put in place. Its not because the referee can have enough players to control, its because you can have a meaningful game (well at least that's what I think).
On a related note. Why aren't substitutes covered under sin bin? I had cautioned a substitute for dissent funnily enough for his aggressive (and continued) protesting of his team-mate's sin bin. Luckily he stayed on the bench for a while after that, had he decided to sub in straight after the caution, it would have defeated at least one of the purposes behind sin binning for dissent.
I attended a training session the other day who said different, so it must be dependent on your local FA (mine being Somerset).
The rules here are that if a player is in the sin bin and have an opportunity to re-enter the FOP, the game won't be abandoned. This also applies if that particular player can't rejoin, but can be substituted at the end of the sin bin time
I dont think this is something that should be down to the discretion of individual CFA's.
Its 1 of two things 1) it has been overlooked by ifab or maybe once it is introduced into law, beyond trial, they'll clarify it. 2) its deliberately been left off as the law already instructs what to do when team go down to fewer than 7 players.
Logically, for me at least, the game should be abandoned. That what the lotg say and it is feasible that a team with only 7 players remaining could end up with 5, 4 or any number of players below the 7 at any given period.
I suppose that if this happened in a game of mine, the circumstances of a game where were already so low on numbers I am sure I would be able to find an offinabus somewhere and prevent the farce thst would ensue with multiple players in the sin bin. Glad we're not doing them at supply league.
Its 1 of two things 1) it has been overlooked by ifab or maybe once it is introduced into law, beyond trial, they'll clarify it. 2) its deliberately been left off as the law already instructs what to do when team go down to fewer than 7 players.
Logically, for me at least, the game should be abandoned. That what the lotg say and it is feasible that a team with only 7 players remaining could end up with 5, 4 or any number of players below the 7 at any given period.
I suppose that if this happened in a game of mine, the circumstances of a game where were already so low on numbers I am sure I would be able to find an offinabus somewhere and prevent the farce thst would ensue with multiple players in the sin bin. Glad we're not doing them at supply league.
I was under the impression it was the same across the board so maybe @arbitre is in another country rather than county?
My biggest issue to come from it is the ruling of where the player can re-enter the FOP, in which there is no ruling. Ideally on 10 minutes, the referee should be able to look to one area (the halfway line?), spot the player in the sin bin and wave him back on. Instruction at the training is that there is no designated area they have to go so can freely walk around the pitch whilst in the sin bin, and enter the FOP where ever they please. That doesn't seem sensible to me
This is sort of covered....
Temporary dismissal area
• A temporarily dismissed player should remain within the technical area
(where one exists) or with the team’s coach/technical staff, unless ‘warming
up’ (under the same conditions as a substitute)
Although I agree it doesn't stipulate I would expect that the re entry should be from the TDA. If not, just be sensible about it and dont wave them back on into/from an area that could have an impact on the match.
Interesting, that wasn't what we were told at the training session. I'll probably query that
arbitre
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I am in France.
A player in the sin bin here must stay on his own bench for the 10 minutes, and then when the time is up the player must re-enter from the half way line.
I've just watched the webex training session, and that's absolutely not what the guy running that said. He talked about a player being allowed to go back to the changing rooms to cool off or use the loo, to warm up, or to do pretty much whatever he wants in an attempt to let him mentally cool down. Obviously he needs to be by the side of the pitch if he wants to come back on at the end of his 10 minutes, but the guy running this session was very clear that sin binned players are not required to spend their 10 minutes in any one specific location.
Thats fine Graeme but that is a copy and paste from the actual laws of the game.
Fair enough, but then I have some serious questions to ask my RDO about why the video he insisted I watch contradicts the LOTG. Great when something like this is so complex that the guys paid to train people about it give different answers to those writing the book...