Cheshire Ref
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Cant say i like this one bit.........
https://you-are-the-ref.com/hacketts-verdict-sin-bins-going-work-heres-info/
https://you-are-the-ref.com/hacketts-verdict-sin-bins-going-work-heres-info/
i like the thinking that the punishment for the team is instant rather than a later game ban following an accumulation of cautions...i also don;t mind the discussion about for what sin bins will be given for.
i have serious reservations about how this would / could be managed at grassroots football with a single referee. the guide mentions using club officials to oversee the sin bin timings, surely a recipe for disaster.
that said, we (football) are way behind both rugby codes, field and ice hockey when it comes to this sort of punishment and it all seems to work well at the lower levels with all of those sports
I am split.
I like the idea of it. Immediate punishments - it may also help grassroots with teams the "struggle to pay" fines. (I know the argument of dont do the crime) Amateur football is in decline and one of the biggest reasons is finance so if the immediate sanction is more of a deterrent than a 10 pound fine then why not explore it.
I do however agree with and have similar reservations about management of such sanctions.
Put simply......its ********.
Totally unmanageable at grassroots level....will simply lead to more conflict, more grief and less referees.
I am split.
I like the idea of it. Immediate punishments - it may also help grassroots with teams the "struggle to pay" fines. (I know the argument of dont do the crime) Amateur football is in decline and one of the biggest reasons is finance so if the immediate sanction is more of a deterrent than a 10 pound fine then why not explore it.
I do however agree with and have similar reservations about management of such sanctions.
Im just thinking about the section that says they may or may not be reportable. It also seems that decision is up to national Fa as opposed to counties. If its not reportable then there can be no financial sanction... but in that same sentiment I cannot see FA/CFA/leagues wanting to lose sight of disciplinary issues.But that would not be the case because if i have read it right then the temporary dismissal would be coupled with a caution, not replacing it. So the fine would still be in place.
Also it says that National FA's/Counties could decide on further disciplinary action, so they may end up saying for instance, £10 for caution £5 for temporary dismissal. Its a minefield and one that i for one am dead against.
Perhaps there could still be fines associated with a sin binning, just no need for it to add up towards a later suspension?The talk of depriving CFAs of income is interesting.
Judging by a graphic sent around by Kent FA 22% of their income comes from discipline.
Perhaps there could still be fines associated with a sin binning, just no need for it to add up towards a later suspension?
Depends which system you use. Under system B, it makes a clear distinction between "Cautionable offences that are punished with a caution" and "Cautionable offences that are punished with a temporary suspension". If that's the chosen system (and I've understood it correctly) then yes you would commit a cautionable offence, but you wouldn't actually be cautioned.But to be sin binned you would have to have been cautioned, so therefore nothing changes money wise.