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trying to help a friend out...and i know we've discussed this before (to death probably) but i can't find any previous threads

in a recent step 5 game he's given a dissent caution at half time whilst still on the field, observer has queried not using the sin bin to which the ref replied saying it wasn't required - observer is after a lotg reference (or other) confirming this is correct (or not).

i always thought a dissent caution at half time wasn't a sin bin, as did all three officials on the game - can anyone help out?
 
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Thread 'Sin Bins'

Hi all, can a sin bin be issued to a player before the start of the game once the team sheets have been confirmed? Also, can a sin bin be issued during half time, full time, extra time, and extra time half time? Thanks.

And here's a link to a thread where it was discussed previously.
 
I had a similar situation exactly after blowing for half time and made the player serve it.

My rationale was based on:

- A first half sin bin carries into the second if 10 minutes hasn’t elapsed.
- Likewise second half to extra time were played.
- Was on the field and the half time interval is included as part of the game per the above.
- And that the commonly starts when we restart play. In this case at 35/40/45 minutes depending on the duration. (Mine was a 70 minute game)

But I can’t see formal guidance either. And this a far more likely scenario that an aerial ball hitting a seagull and going into the goal as beloved by instructors.
 
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cheers for that (i was searched a number of combinations of sin bin / dissent / half time and couldnt find it!)

yeah looks like he has got it wrong unfortunately

i suggested he should have avoided all of this by just sending him off :D
 
Law 5 seems clear:
"has the power to show yellow or red cards and, where competition rules permit, temporarily dismiss a player, from entering the field of play at the start of the match until after the match has ended, including during the half-time interval, extra time and penalties (penalty shoot-out)"
 
RefereeX said:
Afraid your friend was incorrect...

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This is from an FAQ file put out by Birmingham FA.
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Wouldn't rely on BCFA for info. From the same FAQ.

"Can you caution a player for dissent without using the sin bin? All on-field incidents of dissent MUST be dealt with by sending the player to the sin bin. The only situations where a yellow card for
dissent can be issued without a player needing to go to the sin bin is for substitutes, during half time, full time and penalties."
 
bester said:
Wouldn't rely on BCFA for info. From the same FAQ.

"Can you caution a player for dissent without using the sin bin? All on-field incidents of dissent MUST be dealt with by sending the player to the sin bin. The only situations where a yellow card for
dissent can be issued without a player needing to go to the sin bin is for substitutes, during half time, full time and penalties."
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that's outstanding - contradicts in line 12 what it said in line 9 :D
 
bester said:
Wouldn't rely on BCFA for info. From the same FAQ.

"Can you caution a player for dissent without using the sin bin? All on-field incidents of dissent MUST be dealt with by sending the player to the sin bin. The only situations where a yellow card for
dissent can be issued without a player needing to go to the sin bin is for substitutes, during half time, full time and penalties."
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es1 said:
that's outstanding - contradicts in line 12 what it said in line 9 :D
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I did notice that when I went back on to check about penalty shootouts. I decided to stay quiet and be thankful I don't use them 😝
 
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This thread made me look at the previous thread we had on this (linked above). Interesting.
It seems we're all agreed that a referee can Sin Bin a player from the moment he walks on the field yes?
But if Sin Bins are only for dissent (which is public disagreement with a match official's decision) and the game hasn't yet started ... ??
The only scenario I can think of is possibly an issue with kit under Law 4 where a player doesn't like what the referee is "enforcing".
Can anyone think of any more? 🤔
 
Kes said:
This thread made me look at the previous thread we had on this (linked above). Interesting.
It seems we're all agreed that a referee can Sin Bin a player from the moment he walks on the field yes?
But if Sin Bins are only for dissent (which is public disagreement with a match official's decision) and the game hasn't yet started ... ??
The only scenario I can think of is possibly an issue with kit under Law 4 where a player doesn't like what the referee is "enforcing".
Can anyone think of any more? 🤔
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Pitch being playable (or not), pitch markings, ball flat/too hard, an argument about the competition rules, a decision from a previous game you refereed that player... I'm sure there must be a few more :D
 
ARF said:
Pitch being playable (or not), pitch markings, ball flat/too hard, an argument about the competition rules, a decision from a previous game you refereed that player... I'm sure there must be a few more :D
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Bit of a stretch with those I think.
Dissent must surely pertain to the match in question.
Even my example is a stretch.
Anyway, I made my point. ...
 
Law 5 is your friend me mateys:

has the power to show yellow or red cards and, where competition rules permit, temporarily dismiss a player, from entering the field of play at the start of the match until after the match has ended, including during the half-time interval, extra time and penalties (penalty shoot-out)
 
Kes said:
This thread made me look at the previous thread we had on this (linked above). Interesting.
It seems we're all agreed that a referee can Sin Bin a player from the moment he walks on the field yes?
But if Sin Bins are only for dissent (which is public disagreement with a match official's decision) and the game hasn't yet started ... ??
The only scenario I can think of is possibly an issue with kit under Law 4 where a player doesn't like what the referee is "enforcing".
Can anyone think of any more? 🤔
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Not the pre match inspection but from the start of the match
 
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Kes said:
This thread made me look at the previous thread we had on this (linked above). Interesting.
It seems we're all agreed that a referee can Sin Bin a player from the moment he walks on the field yes?
But if Sin Bins are only for dissent (which is public disagreement with a match official's decision) and the game hasn't yet started ... ??
The only scenario I can think of is possibly an issue with kit under Law 4 where a player doesn't like what the referee is "enforcing".
Can anyone think of any more? 🤔
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I made this comment in the other thread as well. TD should only apply from the moment you enter the field to start the match, basically when the starting 11 are on the field. Only then you know who are players and who are substitutes. Earlier on at pitch inspection, it is quite possible you don't have a teamsheet, or the teamsheet does not specify the starting 11 (many grassroots teamsheets don't), and on top of all that, the manager is within his/her rights to start a different 11 to the one specified in the teamsheet.
 
JamesL said:
Law 5 is your friend me mateys:

has the power to show yellow or red cards and, where competition rules permit, temporarily dismiss a player, from entering the field of play at the start of the match until after the match has ended, including during the half-time interval, extra time and penalties (penalty shoot-out)
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This bit in Law 5 is a bit misleading (surprise surprise). It is even quoted in the TD guidelines section at the start of the book. It implies TD applies in PSO. However it is clearly stated later TD does not apply in PSO as per my quote above.
 
one said:
This bit in Law 5 is a bit misleading (surprise surprise). It is even quoted in the TD guidelines section at the start of the book. It implies TD applies in PSO. However it is clearly stated later TD does not apply in PSO as per my quote above.
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I see your point if you take the text in isolation. It's obviously referring to all discipline types here and whilst this text would infer that TD applies in PSO I think that is taken care of elsewhere.
However for the purposes of this thread it perfectly answers the questions that at half time a player CAN be temporarily dismissed at half time and so the observer in question who wants/needs to know needs to write up a major development for the referee's report
 
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