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In midfield it's an easy handball to give, in the box not. Classic retro refereeing!
I agree with both the for and against arguments. Very much in the opinion of in this case!
 
Mintyref said:
Just no! Not making herself bigger, ball struck from inches away......never a hand ball under any interpretation of the preceding or current laws. Hence why the VAR did not consider it warranted a review........
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Just because it didn't warrant a VAR review doesn't mean it wasn't a handball.

I drove down the M2 at 75 last week, went past a Police car and didn't get pulled over, but that doesn't mean I wasn't breaking the law by exceeding the speed limit.

While the ball was very close when kicked she intentionally moved into the path of the ball, which resulted in the ball striking her arm.

If she had already been in that position before the ball had been kicked I would agree that it wasn't a handball, but she did intentionally move into the path of the ball.
 
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zarathustra said:
Just because it didn't warrant a VAR review doesn't mean it wasn't a handball.

I drove down the M2 at 75 last week, went past a Police car and didn't get pulled over, but that doesn't mean I wasn't breaking the law by exceeding the speed limit.

While the ball was very close when kicked she intentionally moved into the path of the ball, which resulted in the ball striking her arm.

Really...........I thought she was just defending.....

If she had already been in that position before the ball had been kicked I would agree that it wasn't a handball, but she did intentionally move into the path of the ball.
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I know what she has done there as I have done it many times myself when defending. She knows she is in trouble as she can't easily play the ball with any part of her body that would get enough on it to get it away from the England players, so has instinctively brought her arm up to redirect the ball. I gave a penalty in an FA Cup game 6 or 7 years ago and the defender, who was the captain, said that if I'd played the game I would know that wasn't handball. I replied that I did, and that's why I knew exactly what he'd done. At the end of the game he told me I was right, but then added that he had got away with it several times before.

There is just no reason for her arm to move the way that it did.
 
Peter Grove said:
If we're talking about the Cameroon player, she didn't kick the opponent in the head. I think this is one of those where you could say (and the commentators did) that she was a little lucky not to get a red card but on the other hand, while kicking someone on the arm is at a minimum reckless, I'm not convinced this is a nailed on red card to the extent that a yellow had to be overturned as per the requirements of the VAR Protocol.

Here's an image showing where she caught the Dutch player on the forearm.
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Yes, but there is an argument that it only didn't hit the head because the opponent took evasive action, moving her head away and raising her arm. Plus there doesn't have to be contact with the head for it to be SFP, contact with any part of the body with a foot that high certainly endangers the opponent and uses excessive force.

What makes it worse is this was clearly a deliberate act. As Casey Stoney rightly said, it just isn't possible to play the ball and finish with your foot that high unless it is a conscious effort to do so.
 
RustyRef said:
I know what she has done there as I have done it many times myself when defending. She knows she is in trouble as she can't easily play the ball with any part of her body that would get enough on it to get it away from the England players, so has instinctively brought her arm up to redirect the ball. I gave a penalty in an FA Cup game 6 or 7 years ago and the defender, who was the captain, said that if I'd played the game I would know that wasn't handball. I replied that I did, and that's why I knew exactly what he'd done. At the end of the game he told me I was right, but then added that he had got away with it several times before.

There is just no reason for her arm to move the way that it did.
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I played for 20 years as a defender and I don't recall doing that deliberately in the PA as it would me madness to unnecessarily give a PK away
As I say, proximity is king and I'd like to see you react to me kicking the ball at you within a fraction of a second. That said, I can see the argument for a PK as the accidental hand movement looks very much deliberate if you know what I mean. What gets me is that I could be observed and my observation outcome would depend as much on the observer as it would the decision (in question) itself
 
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Big Cat said:
I played for 20 years as a defender and I don't recall doing that deliberately in the PA as it would me madness to unnecessarily give a PK away
As I say, proximity is king and I'd like to see you react to me kicking the ball at you within a fraction of a second. That said, I can see the argument for a PK as the accidental hand movement looks very much deliberate if you know what I mean. What gets me is that I could be observed and my observation outcome would depend as much on the observer as it would the decision (in question) itself
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She moved into the path of the ball, not away from it. She made no attempt not to touch the ball.
 
zarathustra said:
She moved into the path of the ball, not away from it. She made no attempt not to touch the ball.
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Think you'll find that most footballers do this nearly all the time........there is nothing in the law about avoiding contact with the ball..........
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Mintyref said:
Think you'll find that most footballers do this nearly all the time........there is nothing in the law about avoiding contact with the ball..........
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No. But there is about not making contact with the ball using the hand or arm.
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