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Sheffield Wednesday V Sunderland

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JamesL

JamesL

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2 handball incidents in the game

Clip 1 00:01: possible penalty for handball. For me hand/arm making body unnaturally bigger and not justifiable for the situation

Clip 2 1:05: possible handball in build up to goal. For me not deliberate. Not unnaturally bigger. And enough touches / time for it to not be scoring immediately after it touches hand/arm.

Thoughts
 
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First one: for me the arm movement is justifiable for the situation - his arm hits the head of his teammate. Even if you deem it an unnatural position, is it actually making the body bigger though? The ball's going to be landing straight on his head anyway.

Second one: not deliberate, not unnaturally bigger, but two seconds from the ball hitting the arm to the shot being taken (three to the ball crossing the line) is immediate enough for me.
 
1. Where the arm should be in a jump for a header has always been debated here. One thing is obvious that the arm went up almost identical to the player in front of him who was attempting the same header. However it got stuck on the body of the player in front when it was coming down. I would deem this natural for the action.

2. For me, this constitutes immediate. One touch to control and next touch is a chip into goal.
 
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If your arm is in front of your head and the ball hits it you are going to be very lucky to avoid being penalised for handball. I don't think the referee saw it, had there been VAR in the Championship I have no doubt they would have got involved.

The second one I think is definitely immediate, yes there were a couple of touches but no other player involved. I think somehow all 4 officials have failed to spot it hitting his arm.
 
I suspect you’ll see Mr Finnie referee a premier league game in the not too distant future.

Think these are both incredibly tough spots and an argument could definitely made that they’re both handball, but both are subjective. The first one, the defender is unlucky that the hand bounces off his team mates head which puts it in the position it ends up in, but it does make the body unnaturally bigger. The second one, is that ‘immediate’? Probably is for me.
 
It is a handball offence if a player

- Deliberately touches the ball or
- Hand/arm makes their body unnaturally bigger and touches the ball Or
- is unlucky in the position of their hand/arm and touches the ball
😂🤪😝
 
Both wrong from the onfield officials for me. Not sure why your arm would be in that position on the first one. If he was mid spring for the jump I could maybe understand, but he’s well in the air by this point

Second one is immediate for me. But I guess you can interpret that how you want (unless someone has any specific guidance on the interpretation)
 
I’m in the pen and no goal camp here.
With replays I think they are easy calls.

At grassroots a handball in front of the face like that is an easy sell I think.

And it’s the striker. Hb, 2 touch, goal is immediate.
 
I was struck by the lack of appeal from the defenders for the second. Goalkeeper and centre half busier with looking at each other and trying to work who was at fault than claiming for a free kick.

Difficult spot in real time I think.
 
1. Not deliberate, body hasn't been made bigger, no offence.
2. No goal, this is immediately after the ball touches the attacker's arm. It's about 2 seconds from arm touch to getting the shot away.
 
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