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Matt Williams

Matt Williams

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Just out of curiosity, I wondered whether it is possible to caution a player for entering the pitch without permission after they've been sent off.

To give the context, it was an u16 game between two local rivals, and I sent off the away team captain for violent conduct half way through the 2nd half. He then re-entered the pitch 5-10 mins later to confront another player whilst play was going on. As it turns out, I was able to report him for misconduct due to the threats he made against his opponent, but I wondered whether I could have cautioned him on the day.

By the way, this was 2 years ago, and for the record I did not caution him.
 
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Nope, you would just make sure he then gets away from the pitch and include it in your report
 
You would not caution. You should have done your best to get him away from the vicinity of the field when he was dismissed. You were correct to report him for misconduct
 
Simply add all of his offences into your misconduct report and leave it to your county discipline secretary to file the charges.
Ideally, as Brian says, try to remove a player from the vicinity. It's not always possible though as you can't remove someone from a public park. Also in youth football you have to ensure the players' safety, including any dismissed player.
 
If I can see the guy I sent off, we don't play.

Generally known for that round here now - the odd comment to that effect normally = a bit of pre match banter
 
I don't know how things work around the country on local leagues but on the local Sunday leagues most teams play on council owned pitches and the changing rooms are locked when the players go out and the caretaker gets sent off to work somewhere else then comes back at the end of the games. Therefore anyone leaving play early for whatever reason can't get his clothes, keys etc.
Saturdays are easier. Changing rooms, bar etc. just keep them away from the dugouts.
 
Darren Amor said:
Simply add all of his offences into your misconduct report and leave it to your county discipline secretary to file the charges.
Ideally, as Brian says, try to remove a player from the vicinity. It's not always possible though as you can't remove someone from a public park. Also in youth football you have to ensure the players' safety, including any dismissed player.
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Really?

Once you have dismissed the player the welfare of that player is firmly with the manager/coach.
 
Padfoot said:
Really?

Once you have dismissed the player the welfare of that player is firmly with the manager/coach.
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I'd agree with Padfoot here. Once he has been dismissed he takes no further part in the game and as referee you should be focussing on the players inside the white lines. I don't care where he goes, as long as he goes far enough away that he doesn't influence my game.
 
If you dismiss a minor from the FOP and insist he leaves the vicinity and the only responsible person with the team is the manager who must stay with the team the player either has to stay there or you pull the plug on the game.
 
/\/\/\/\ as he said, but then if you have youthteams with only 1 responsible person for 2 teams I'd say that is a bit over the accepted ratio in the first place.

Stick to Youth games in places that have the facilities and set up to cope with the specialist needs of Youth football.
 
Obviously both teams would have their own manager present and should have an assistant, but you can't have an adult take a child off on their own.
 
The issue here was that it was on a pitch on an open public park so he had a right to be on the park, just not the part of it under my control for that game. Also, he was actually the son of the manager so I could not ask his father to escort him from the area as it would have left the team unmanaged. In the league I have reffed in for the last few years, only the league cup final game has changing rooms, no other ground on the circuit does. I have asked players/managers to move out of sight of the pitch before and have been advised by my mentor at the time that this was not necessary, provided that they were behind the ropes and at least 10m from the pitch.
 
Darren Amor said:
If you dismiss a minor from the FOP and insist he leaves the vicinity and the only responsible person with the team is the manager who must stay with the team the player either has to stay there or you pull the plug on the game.
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Where does it say that the manager must stay with the team?
 
If the manager had to stay with the team what would you do if he 'crossed the line' with something and you had to dismiss him? There will nearly always be parents at the game who can either watch over the team for a short while, or a secretary who will take the child away from the FOP. I don't think that is for the ref worry about though, surely it is the clubs responsibility to have someone else there?
 
MGatiss said:
If the manager had to stay with the team what would you do if he 'crossed the line' with something and you had to dismiss him?
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If he's the medic for the team then you can't dismiss him for the safety of the players, you have to make him aware that you will be reporting him to the relevant governing body and carry on the game. After the game, you then send off the relevant misconduct report(s).
 
If this had been the case and it was the manager who I had to report for misconduct, I would have dismissed him to behind the rope , as as mentioned, if he is the club' strained first aider, certainly my decision would to be exactly as mentioned above. I agree that in principle he should not be allowed to be in the pitch's vicinity, and if the situation/location permitted that then that is exactly what I would have done, but this was not possible for the player on that day, nor the manager had he been the culprit, as the facilities at the ground didn't permit it.
 
Yeah I agree with you. I was disagreeing with the manager must be with the players at all times
 
jojo said:
If he's the medic for the team then you can't dismiss him for the safety of the players, you have to make him aware that you will be reporting him to the relevant governing body and carry on the game. After the game, you then send off the relevant misconduct report(s).
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Wrong.

The other team will have an Emergency Aid trained person, so player safety is not affected.
 
Never had an injury to two players at the same time when both needed treatment/assessment at the same time. By only having one first aider present you would be seriously effecting player safety. Head to head contact would be a classic case.
 
Padfoot said:
Wrong.

The other team will have an Emergency Aid trained person, so player safety is not affected.
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Sorry, Padfoot it is you that is wrong on this issue.

Each club should have they own trained person and therefore you cannot rely on the opposition doing the duties. Technically, if a club does not have trained person present some league require the match to be postponed/abandoned.

If the manager is the only trained first aider and he commits misconduct, you report him as for a sending off BUT you cannot dismiss him from the technical area at all. However, once you have taken his details you should warn him that he is only remaining as he is the first aider. You expect him to deal with that task only, and further comments would produce additional misconduct reports. The CFA would love a manager charged with multiple counts at the same match, just think of their fines.
 
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