It has to impact on the ability of a defender to play the ball so it's not an instant that's offside.Question on the second goal as well.
Firmino clearly offside, jumps (misses) for the ball. Is that not deemed active that he tries to play it?
Not quite correct: that would be true if we were considering the PIOP only making an "obvious action" however an attempt to play a ball that is close merely has to "impact ...on an opponent", and arguably that happened here.It has to impact on the ability of another player to play the ball so it's not an instant that's offside.
Personally I don't think there is an offside in the goal. Yes, he attempts to head it but I don't see that his action impacted on an opponent as the defender, Mitchell, was getting nowhere near it.
Not really, as Mitchell had already moved towards Firminho well before he jumped, as a full back you are taught to "tuck in" as better to leave your man out wide than leave someone free in front of goal. Even if Firminho hadn't jumped Mitchell would still have been in that position, Oxlade-Chamberlain would still have been free, so it is difficult to say that his attempt to play the ball affected the outcome in any way.I disagree here. The defender had to decide to pressure and move towards Firmino because he was jumping for it. If he didn't move towards Firmino, he's well positioned to head the ball clear.
Are you sure other countries manage VAR well? I must admit I don't routinely watch other leagues but I have seen examples of outrageous VAR decisions in multiple other countries. It very much seems like the system itself is the problem rather than the people; when designing systems to be used by people, designers must account for humans' imperfect nature. The current VAR system requires the people who operate it to be wholly consistent with almost robot-like perfection.So on the same day, just hours later, we have Oliver Skipp rugby tackle Cesar Azpilicueta in the penalty area at a set piece, as clear a penalty as you are ever going to see. Can't blame the referee for missing it but where is VAR, there wasn't even any indication that it was checked. This is why people are frustrated with England's VAR implentation, something that clearly isn't a penalty reviewed and incorrectly given, something that was absolutely a very clear and obvious error not even checked. Games are being decided on complete randomness and it has to get sorted out, other countries can manage it well, it isn't a technology issue, it is a people issue and by that I don't necessarily mean the match officials themselves.
Totally agree. Posted it in another thread about the same time. Any idea who the VAR was.Penalty?
Not for me, Jota makes a total hash of the chance and moves into the keeper as opposed to keeper committing the foul.
Really bad VAR moment imo.
This is against IFAB directives but makes sense. Friend didn't look happy giving it.Although Kevin Friend may have some excuse as it certainly does appear that they have been told they can't override the VAR recommendation.
Are you sure other countries manage VAR well? I must admit I don't routinely watch other leagues but I have seen examples of outrageous VAR decisions in multiple other countries. It very much seems like the system itself is the problem rather than the people; when designing systems to be used by people, designers must account for humans' imperfect nature. The current VAR system requires the people who operate it to be wholly consistent with almost robot-like perfection.
It worked pretty much perfectly in the Euros, there was lots of praise for its low key intervention. And it seems to court much less controvery in Italy and Spain than it does in England. The problem here is sometimes they, rightly, don't get involved because it is subjective, then, like today, they get involved with something that they have absolutely no business getting involved with. There is zero consistency.
We’ll, every possible PK is checked. People just don’t know it is happening unless the a restart has to be delayed for the check to be completed. (Or, if that isn’t true, the PL implementation of VAR is even worse and further afield from what it is supposed to be than we’re aware of.)So on the same day, just hours later, we have Oliver Skipp rugby tackle Cesar Azpilicueta in the penalty area at a set piece, as clear a penalty as you are ever going to see. Can't blame the referee for missing it but where is VAR, there wasn't even any indication that it was checked. This is why people are frustrated with England's VAR implentation, something that clearly isn't a penalty reviewed and incorrectly given, something that was absolutely a very clear and obvious error not even checked. Games are being decided on complete randomness and it has to get sorted out, other countries can manage it well, it isn't a technology issue, it is a people issue and by that I don't necessarily mean the match officials themselves.
The transparency is phenomena. That doesn’t mean the VAR and R get every call right, but PRO admits when a mistake is made rather than coming up with a convoluted reason as to why it was correct.