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OS, VAR, and delay

socal lurker

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#1
I don't know if this is the best place for it, but thought some would be interested. PRO, the US Professional Referee Organization, does a weekly review for ARs of MLS games throughout the season, which just started. The first week's focus is on when ARs in games with VAR are supposed to delay their flag. There is also an interesting discussion of a play in which a defender handled the ball, which was collected by an OSP attacker for a goal. https://www.proassistantreferees.com/mls-week-in-review/week-1-march-3-4
 

AlexF

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#2
There is also an interesting discussion of a play in which a defender handled the ball, which was collected by an OSP attacker for a goal.
What's most interesting about this is that PRO teaches one way and UEFA teaches the opposite...

PRO teaches that "a player is not allowed to deliberately play the ball with his hands/arms so it cannot be considered for a deliberate play when dealing with offside."

UEFA's interpretation is that a deliberate handling is considered a deliberate play for purposes of offside.

Hopefully FIFA and IFAB clear things up on this one and document it clearly.
 

one

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#3
Some good analysis. I don't like their use of the term "clear and obvious" for offside position or 'range'. It can make things confusing especially if pundits start using it for offside situations. The term the protocol uses is "real doubt" so why not use "doubtful position" or "within doubtful range"?

Also interesting that in case 1 it says PIOP was in a doubtful range when he was offside by over a yard and there was not that much speed in play.

On a side note, I would love to have profile pic like this for all my social media accounts :)

 

socal lurker

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#5
What's most interesting about this is that PRO teaches one way and UEFA teaches the opposite...

PRO teaches that "a player is not allowed to deliberately play the ball with his hands/arms so it cannot be considered for a deliberate play when dealing with offside."

UEFA's interpretation is that a deliberate handling is considered a deliberate play for purposes of offside.

Hopefully FIFA and IFAB clear things up on this one and document it clearly.
UEFA is going to have to revisit how they teach it for next year, as not all handling will be deliberate. But I also think that because of the expansive scope of certain kinds of handling today many "deliberate" handlings should fall in the context of a deflection rather than a play under the very same standards we use for the foot/leg. (I also think that PRO has it wrong: the definition of save excludes a handling offense, which is only necessary if handling can otherwise reset OS. But I guess here in the US I'm best off following what PRO is teaching, even it it does not have official authority outside of its membership.)
 

AlexF

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#6
But I guess here in the US I'm best off following what PRO is teaching, even it it does not have official authority outside of its membership.
I fully agree on the UEFA bit, and I will note that both CSA and USSF are pushing the same interpretation as PRO.

Now, whether that's because PRO is leading that interpretation or not, I have no idea.
 
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