Engin Ataman
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they are behind him at the time of goalkeeper contact. yes close, but behind.Two defenders in close proximity, ball travelling at speed and an awkward angle. I’m not yet convinced by DOGSO
they are behind him at the time of goalkeeper contact. yes close, but behind.Two defenders in close proximity, ball travelling at speed and an awkward angle. I’m not yet convinced by DOGSO
the ball went out for a goal kick but defender caught up to it (he just did not touch it since it was going out which is very clear in the video, no need for the stills ), if the defender can catch up to the ball, the attacker could definitely catch up too.There are 4 Dogso criteria to be Considered. For me the most important one to get started is Control of the ball or likelihood to regain control. Your stills paint a false picture.
1) in the first instance it's a long punt forward and he never has control of the ball
2)even if the keeper doesn't get to it first he isn't certainly going to regain possession of the ball
3) when the keeper plays the ball it cannons off the attacker and is likely to go out for a goal kick.
Proximity of other defenders
There are two defenders who are also impeded by the GKs actions. He isn't obviously going to get past them.
Direction of play
Is a probably, dependent on how his first touch goes, if he were to have beaten the keeper.
Distance to goal is an almost definite.
For me only one of the criteria, arguably the least weighted factor in Dogso, has been met.
Yes there might be a GSO but at the point of the foul it is not yet obvious.
Getting the ball is irrelevant in judging any foul, there is no excuse "I got the ball ref".Of course it’s “relevant.” Getting the ball doesn’t make him free and clear, but not getting the ball is a factor in deciding how bad it is.
I seem to be the only one that voted to play on.
I can see all sides of the argument on this one. My initial thought process was this was as good a challenge as the keeper could do in the circumstances. I may (and probably should) go foul, caution, but I'm not fully sold on DOSGO or SFP.
This is simply incorrect.Getting the ball is irrelevant in judging any foul, .
To be snarky: DUH!!! OK, got that out of by system. But no one has remotely suggested that "I got ball" means there was not a foul. No one. You are drawing a false connection. Agreeing that "I got ball" is not the end of the story is not the same thing as agreeing that whether a player was able to get to the ball is irrelevant. There is contact that we will permit by a player who is playing the ball and able to get to it that we would not permit if the player were not able to reach the ball. Similarly, when deciding whether a play was reckless, whether the player was able to play the ball can--in some cases--be a factor in deciding if the play was reckless or merely careless.there is no excuse "I got the ball ref".
the ball went out for a goal kick but defender caught up to it (he just did not touch it since it was going out which is very clear in the video, no need for the stills ), if the defender can catch up to the ball, the attacker could definitely catch up too.
i agree with your #1 since goalkeeper actually got the chance to play the ball first but made a mess of it.
your #2 and #3 i disagree though. defenders slowed down (did not think goalkeeper would make it this messy i think), attacker had the most momentum and goalkeeper got him down. Ball was within reach.
Not according to the book. All factors have to be ”considered”.How is what happened after the GK's intervention relevant? It's relevant what the ball is doing before the GK gets involved, but how quickly the ball travels after being deflected tells us nothing at all about possible DOGSO!
All four factors have to be present for DOGSO, and when there's a defender right with him and he's heading away from goal there's just no DOGSO.
As @santa sangria says, the four factors have to be considered, they don't have to 'be present.' It doesn't really even make sense to talk about them being present, since by their nature at least 3 of them are always present. The distance from goal, number and location of defenders and direction of play are always factors that exist.All four factors have to be present for DOGSO,