StiltonRef
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I will have to take a closer look next time then.
Not necessarily. When an AR, AAR signals for a foul, it's often after the referee has made a no foul decision. But generally goes with AR because of a more credible vision (angle, distance). But from time to time waves him/her down. Not too different to a VAR but a different process.Of course he can and we all do at times, but that is still before he makes the decision.
The AR should be flagging at the same time as the ref is making his no call, at the very latest, it should be as soon as he sees a foul, which then allows the referee the option of blowing or playing advantage. Any AR that flags after the ref has made his decision is asking for trouple.Not necessarily. When an AR, AAR signals for a foul, it's often after the referee has made a no foul decision. But generally goes with AR because of a more credible vision (angle, distance). But from time to time waves him/her down. Not too different to a VAR but a different process.
This doesn't make sense to me. A no call doesn't have a 'time'. Do you mean when the ref decides it is not a foul? How does the AR know this?The AR should be flagging at the same time as the ref is making his no call,
You find most referees instruct against this. The most common instruction is 'give me first crack at it.' AR's don't referee the game. They assist. They should not get involved when no assistance is required.at the very latest, it should be as soon as he sees a foul,
So the referee sees an incident and makes no call (not because he hasn't made a decision but because he thinks it's not a foul). It is a clear and obvious foul. Which is more trouble, flag or no flag? Trouble aside, which is the fair and correct decision?Any AR that flags after the ref has made his decision is asking for trouple.
Can you give me a quick precis, don't want to have a beard grow whilst reading it....The earth has spun, most of us have grown beards watching this thread!
Can you give me a quick precis, don't want to have a beard grow whilst reading it....
There's another longer thread about how quick you can get promoted.........No, I'd lost the will to live!! I moved on!!!
Indeed, soon the centre circle referee will be all the rage....just stand there and have any "wrong" decisions corrected by VAR.......no need for any promotion scheme then....Where do we apply Minty? Standards seem to be slipping!
Which in his case, he has not got.Currently VAR isn't overruling the referee because the only other option is to undermine the referee. The way the PGMOL are using VAR they have to just support the onfield referee's decision if it is subjective, even if there is a clear and obvious error. As soon as VAR overturns an onfield referee's subjective decision we have the situation I have stated above, where VAR has the final say.
For a subjective decision to be overturned then the onfield referee HAS to make that decision after reviewing it on a monitor.
This doesn't make sense to me. A no call doesn't have a 'time'. Do you mean when the ref decides it is not a foul? How does the AR know this?
You find most referees instruct against this. The most common instruction is 'give me first crack at it.' AR's don't referee the game. They assist. They should not get involved when no assistance is required.
So the referee sees an incident and makes no call (not because he hasn't made a decision but because he thinks it's not a foul). It is a clear and obvious foul. Which is more trouble, flag or no flag? Trouble aside, which is the fair and correct decision?
My instructions to my AR's is, if I have made a clear and obvious error, flag it. Even for a penalty (MUST be C&O). Let me deal with selling it (which should be easy). Saving face is second priority to a correct decision.
PGMOL won't let the refs use them, which is why there is such a problem with subjective calls.Which in his case, he has not got.
Or does he?