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So Clattenburg was the only one with a prayer but he naffed off for a sun tan. But 63 assistants; and none of them are home grown. Even when accounting for Arsene Wenger's club mark and Russian diplomats, this has to be nothing short of racism; dare i say it
 
It’s laughable it really is, but hey with VAR anyone can ref the World Cup this year, we will be spending half our summer watching a screen & guess what will be on that screen, you guessed it a referee watching a screen.
 
It is what it is imo. If the likes of Michael Oliver has ambitions on the international stage, i'd suggest any passport color, other than blue (post-Brexit)
 
If i was to randomly stumble across a pride of FIFA officials whilst marauding the savanna, i'd express my disquiet by tearing into their flesh with my razor sharp claws whilst sinking my dagger fangs into their skulls. If that didn't get my message across, i'd get my red card out and send them from the FOP
 
A nothing story really. Towards the end of last year England had two FIFA elite level referees, Clattenburg and Atkinson. The latter it was known was too old and would be leaving, and the former jumped ship to follow the money.

We can't have a WC referee if we don't have an elite FIFA referee, and we don't.
 
First time for quite a while no aussie refs are present as well. I'm kind of relieved
- too many inexplicable match changing errors
- VAR making it worse in every possible way
- AR's and 4th officials not performing basic duties of monitoring off-the-ball incidents.

For a long time Australian refereeing and promotion has been based around the idea of finding arrogant referees, promote them, then make them too scared to make a decision. (No, seriously, I've had an A-League inspector basically tell me that assessors want to see a ref stamping their personality on the field more than one who's actually competent, consistent and understanding of the game).

I've said before that my view is that assessors from the ground level up are a problem - means the wrong refs get promoted from the start, and refs get mixed messages over what to do. What you get taught in new ref courses is the exact opposite of what assessors want to see and how a-league refs perform. We get told to get tough on dissent, get told to crack down on a game that's getting out of control, yet refs get rewarded for the exact opposite.

Politics, also, has been more important, for a long time.

And when the current referees boss is a product of that broken system but is unable to see any of this, nothing will change.
 
It could be a blessing in disguise. With VAR not being ready as it has been rushed through any top ref not reffing might be breathing a sigh of relief as problems might be ironed out by the next euros.
 
Also aswell, given the dominance of Webb and Clattenburg, any English ref going would certainly be far down the list to progress, bit surprised William Colum never made it though, no doubts Oliver will feature at the next WC if not the Euros
 
RobOda said:
What's that? Like favouritism and such?
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Partly. And within a RA, integrity of assessor's never seems to be as upheld as integrity of referees. You know when you have that referee that everyone likes and is really well regarded, but isn't that great if you break their game down? I'm sure that influences marks.
Or if you're like the futsal referees in my area, there aren't assessor marks so it's all based on perception. And the 'top' refs in my area are absolute rubbish.
But more onto the politics....even at the national level, one assessor told us that all the assessors use bias as they all want the refs in their state to look the best in order to have the best chance at the next grand final or FIFA badge.
But that aside.....we used to have an unofficial, national referees forum in Australia. Fairly active too.
Myself and a couple of others were a bit outspoken in our criticism of our top refs. Basically, it would matter what the 'golden child' referee of Australia did, the newer refs would just think that's what you're supposed to do. So myself and a few others made sure to be critical of their performances. Yes, I did cross the line at times, no doubt.
But the bigwigs in the national office were watching. And talking. And talking to the associations. They had pretty much figured out who all the refs on there were - I'm certain my name had bee discussed (and I'm sure I would have had no chance at a high level career had I been good enough). But the 'up and coming' refs all got told that if they participate on the forum, to kiss their opportunities goodbye. So, everyone got scared off the forum and it shut down.
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CapnBloodbeard said:
You know when you have that referee that everyone likes and is really well regarded, but isn't that great if you break their game down?
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I know one personally, that has gone up the ladder despite being... well, I probably shouldn't say anything to be honest. I personally felt he was going up by sheer fact that he was willing to turn up to any game, anywhere, any time.

CapnBloodbeard said:
Basically, it would matter what the 'golden child' referee of Australia did, the newer refs would just think that's what you're supposed to do.
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Ah I've had some referees mention in passing about 'golden child' favourites. I was with one apparently when an incident kicked off, and the word going around was they were expecting more of a serious punishment because it was done against one of their up and coming youth talents. But for me, it's only been hearsay on this front. I don't doubt that maybe someone up in the ranks will see a talent and favour them, probably happens everywhere.

CapnBloodbeard said:
But the bigwigs in the national office were watching. And talking. And talking to the associations.
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Sometimes I've wondered if joining forums is a bad thing to do actually. I've heard at my old society that we should probably stay off the internet and not engage with people about refereeing, as it can cause trouble. Trouble for me is that, I feel the internet and forums are a very good place to hash out discussions - more so than face to face in my case, due to disability. But I've never quite found a place for that, until I found this forum anyway - and even here I'm relatively new so...

At the same time though, I'm wary that I might say something insensitive on here or otherwise that could be an effective end of any potential progress on the refereeing side of things. Maybe, I say something daft via inexperience, or whatever. Seems the best thing to do is keep your nose clean etc.

Still, your example sounds like an extreme thing happened, if they were warning off new referees from joining. Though, I wasn't there so I wouldn't be privy to the full story, so it's not for me to say I guess.
 
Ciley Myrus said:
Also aswell, given the dominance of Webb and Clattenburg, any English ref going would certainly be far down the list to progress, bit surprised William Colum never made it though, no doubts Oliver will feature at the next WC if not the Euros
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i think willie suffered by dougie ross packin n i thought willie ross and conner were being considered
 
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