Newport v Walsall

[ladbroke8745]

Walsall have a late goal ruled out...
But should the player have received a card too?

No other video I've seen to post other than Facebook.

I can understand referee missing it, but why is the assistant not alerting sooner?
Talking, the may be, but the flag is still a great tool for all, including the paying fans, to know he's seen something.

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[RefereeX]

Not sure many referees want their AR to flag for a handball that really is the referees decision not the AR's, so would imagine they've had to have a proper conversation first about whether the referee was unsighted and whether the AR is 100% certain.
Great spot by the AR to be fair.

With regards to a card, I think you could support either argument but there's enough doubt about whether or not it's intentional in my opinion. I think he just missed the ball with his head and happened to catch it with his arm.

 

[DavidObs]

Not sure many referees want their AR to flag for a handball that really is the referees decision not the AR's, so would imagine they've had to have a proper conversation first about whether the referee was unsighted and whether the AR is 100% certain.
Great spot by the AR to be fair.

With regards to a card, I think you could support either argument but there's enough doubt about whether or not it's intentional in my opinion. I think he just missed the ball with his head and happened to catch it with his arm.

Plus a touch of self preservation perhaps with both the goal post and goalkeeper looming when at pace! I am pleased the offender didn’t argue with the decision to rule out.

 

[RustyRef]

I don't think he has intentionally tried to handle it to score, rather he just completely misjudged the flight of the ball. No real reason for him to handle it given he had a free header.

It was a brilliant spot by the AR, and can understand why Sam missed it real time. They will of course be speaking over comms, but it really needed them to have a face to face discussion so that everyone knew the thought process.

 

[Big Cat]

Not sure many referees want their AR to flag for a handball that really is the referees decision not the AR's, so would imagine they've had to have a proper conversation first about whether the referee was unsighted and whether the AR is 100% certain.
Great spot by the AR to be fair.

With regards to a card, I think you could support either argument but there's enough doubt about whether or not it's intentional in my opinion. I think he just missed the ball with his head and happened to catch it with his arm.

I don't care what the Referee wants, if I see a goal scored off the hand and there's an appeal (never wanna be the only person to see something, as that means it probably didn't happen), my flag is going up

Referees sh1tting themselves and excessively safe refereeing has really started to annoy me over the last season

 

[RustyRef]

I don't care what the Referee wants. In the context of Professional Football, If I see a goal scored off the hand, my flag is going up
At Contrib Level, with the caveat that I'd need an appeal (never want to be the only person in attendance to see something), my flag is still going up.

You don't really have a lot of choice at contrib level without comms. Should you be lucky enough to reach the EFL you'd be told not to. I watch a lot of EFL football and have seen many decisions where the AR has clearly helped the referee out, and I can't recall ever seeing a flag go up.

 

[DavidObs]

You don't really have a lot of choice at contrib level without comms. Should you be lucky enough to reach the EFL you'd be told not to. I watch a lot of EFL football and have seen many decisions where the AR has clearly helped the referee out, and I can't recall ever seeing a flag go up.

However, currently at NLN & S, there is about a 90% chance that at least one of the comms doesn’t work, or fails on entering the FoP or during the game. This is because the kits are an early handed down version, though those who are on ERDP will have the best version. Although this is not helpful, it is also not the end of the world and there are some positives. These are that Referees have learnt that less is more & also to still do the basics and not be lazy to rely upon comms & therefore not alter what are fundamental principles of positioning & communication etc.

 

[Big Cat]

Well done to this Assistant, he did brilliantly with a very important KMD, but he knew what he'd seen and there was an appeal
I know why he didn't get the flag up. He'd be contradicting orders from the classroom. His only choice (if he wants to progress) was to do what he's told, even when the culture of refereeing is underpinned by hesitancy and excessive safety. The instruction is wrong in this case

We all work to much the same creed. When the standard of refereeing at all levels is deeply questionable, it's not the individuals that I look to blame

 

[Runner Ref]

However, currently at NLN & S, there is about a 90% chance that at least one of the comms doesn’t work, or fails on entering the FoP or during the game. This is because the kits are an early handed down version, though those who are on ERDP will have the best version. Although this is not helpful, it is also not the end of the world and there are some positives. These are that Referees have learnt that less is more & also to still do the basics and not be lazy to rely upon comms & therefore not alter what are fundamental principles of positioning & communication etc.

This happens a hell of a lot at FL as well. My mate had to get involved as 4O the other week on a FL game to advise referee to send a player off for SFP. His comms went down, so he had to go down the touchline to tell AR to ask ref to come over

 

[ladbroke8745]

I get the leagues are a different ball game, so to speak, than our little things on a Sunday morning, but the laws are no different.
They may have the help of technology but it shouldn't stop the flag up, id like a chat, demonstration.
Helps the fans know that the assistant has seen something and effectively keeps them in the loop without hearing the conversation that will occur.

Not saying the assistant wouldn't have communicated without this, but what if the players didn't appeal? Would he have kept quiet?

 

[DavidObs]

I get the leagues are a different ball game, so to speak, than our little things on a Sunday morning, but the laws are no different.
They may have the help of technology but it shouldn't stop the flag up, id like a chat, demonstration.
Helps the fans know that the assistant has seen something and effectively keeps them in the loop without hearing the conversation that will occur.

Not saying the assistant wouldn't have communicated without this, but what if the players didn't appeal? Would he have kept quiet?

We may never know, but one thing was sure and that was it could be clearly seen that the said AR was clear & decisive with what he had seen.