New LoTG - Injuries - Liking it!!

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If the player is required to leave because the sub has been announced, then he is delaying the restart by not leaving the field.

Required by whom? What does the announcement (at grassroots granting permission) mean? The way the laws are written now, once a substitution request is made (by anyone in the team?) all we can do is say yes it is OK with me (or deny it), but we can't mandate it.

Making this DR is the same as my new RA disciplinary officer asking me to report a coach red card who entered the field of play to confront me as OFFINABUS because our send-off form had not provisioned for such send offs. It is not the player who is delaying the restart, it is the referee. As far as the player is concerned he is not being substituted so he is NOT required to leave the field of play.

The point I am making is that removing that clause will leave as much of a gap in the laws as would keeping it in as is. The problem has to be fixed by other means; mandate it once permission is given for example but that would have its own problems. One thing is certain, if there is a gap in the laws, teams will start exploiting it sooner or later as experience has shown. So @DavidObs I'm afraid your enjoyment of the new 10 second thing may be short lived and may be offset by the loophole .

 

[ChasObserverRefDeveloper]

Required by whom? What does the announcement (at grassroots granting permission) mean? The way the laws are written now, once a substitution request is made (by anyone in the team?) all we can do is say yes it is OK with me (or deny it), but we can't mandate it.

Making this DR is the same as my new RA disciplinary officer asking me to report a coach red card who entered the field of play to confront me as OFFINABUS because our send-off form had not provisioned for such send offs. It is not the player who is delaying the restart, it is the referee. As far as the player is concerned he is not being substituted so he is NOT required to leave the field of play.

The point I am making is that removing that clause will leave as much of a gap in the laws as would keeping it in as is. The problem has to be fixed by other means; mandate it once permission is given for example but that would have its own problems. One thing is certain, if there is a gap in the laws, teams will start exploiting it sooner or later as experience has shown. So @DavidObs I'm afraid your enjoyment of the new 10 second thing may be short lived and may be offset by the loophole .

When the leagues with "rolling subs" start, we will see some interesting scenarios

 

[socal lurker]

Required by whom? What does the announcement (at grassroots granting permission) mean? The way the laws are written now, once a substitution request is made (by anyone in the team?) all we can do is say yes it is OK with me (or deny it), but we can't mandate it.

I agree this should be cleaned up. But if the Rules of the Competition require him to leave the field of play, that he is delaying the restart by not leaving, as the restart cannot occur until he does.

 

[puddles15]

Just to go back to the OP - by way of practical management (minimising complaints), the logical guidance is to only stop play if you think (or have good reason to suspect) there is a serious (or head) injury, otherwise wait until a break in play to check on the player, thus avoiding lots of 1 minutes for just cramp/sore bits?

 

[Redref34]

Just to go back to the OP - by way of practical management (minimising complaints), the logical guidance is to only stop play if you think (or have good reason to suspect) there is a serious (or head) injury, otherwise wait until a break in play to check on the player, thus avoiding lots of 1 minutes for just cramp/sore bits?

I just think there is still some confusion (mainly from non referee footballing folk, but also myself I am happy to admit) about a ‘stoppage in play’.

Whilst I understand and have read the protocol - the situation you described still allows players to go down feigning a serious injury when the ball is out of play, waste a few seconds and not have to go off for the prescribed minute.

 

[ChasObserverRefDeveloper]

I just think there is still some confusion (mainly from non referee footballing folk, but also myself I am happy to admit) about a ‘stoppage in play’.

Whilst I understand and have read the protocol - the situation you described still allows players to go down feigning a serious injury when the ball is out of play, waste a few seconds and not have to go off for the prescribed minute.

True, but if the referee decides that a player has delayed the restart of play they can implement the 60 seconds.

 

[betterlatethannever]

“An injured player may not be treated on the field of play and, where an injury results in play being stopped or the restart of play being delayed, the injured player must leave the field of play and may only re-enter one minute after play has restarted;”

Bit of a grey area because if you pause a restart you have quite literally delayed the restart by checking on them and getting them up. I assume it is for excessive delays, and if a player is truly down injured the physio is coming on and they’re off for a minute for treatment anyway, but how much of a pause is delaying the restart?
We obviously can’t ignore a player down, and have to ‘play the game’ of going over and saying “you alright do you need anyone on?” - but that in itself is a delay!
Personally if they’re straight up and shake themselves off then fine, up you get and let’s go. If they stay down after my initial “you alright” I’ll say they need to go off.

 

[norfolkref]

Just to go back to the OP - by way of practical management (minimising complaints), the logical guidance is to only stop play if you think (or have good reason to suspect) there is a serious (or head) injury, otherwise wait until a break in play to check on the player, thus avoiding lots of 1 minutes for just cramp/sore bits?

yes I understand the practicality of the law more now it was more the inconsistent application & practical match advice still isnt going to stop a coach yelling "injury ref" because someones sock fell down.. if the ball isn't going out or the lads arent putting it out and for all intensive purposes they look injured i'm stopping play. my only worry with no always telling a player to go off is you know full well if you dont apply it for situation x but do for situation y, the first comment will be consistency "that player didnt have to ref", it is easier for me to send them off for a minute and especially round my area word travels fast i should hope by the end of the season there is less "going down for injury". I did pre-season games for the same couple of clubs and touch wood both learnt very quickly. Did help that I explained decisions as I went and briefed both teams before kick-off seeing as no-one had bothered elsewhere! causes me less problems anyway

 

[ChasObserverRefDeveloper]

yes I understand the practicality of the law more now it was more the inconsistent application & practical match advice still isnt going to stop a coach yelling "injury ref" because someones sock fell down.. if the ball isn't going out or the lads arent putting it out and for all intensive purposes they look injured i'm stopping play. my only worry with no always telling a player to go off is you know full well if you dont apply it for situation x but do for situation y, the first comment will be consistency "that player didnt have to ref", it is easier for me to send them off for a minute and especially round my area word travels fast i should hope by the end of the season there is less "going down for injury". I did pre-season games for the same couple of clubs and touch wood both learnt very quickly. Did help that I explained decisions as I went and briefed both teams before kick-off seeing as no-one had bothered elsewhere! causes me less problems anyway

A referee I worked with last week told both coaches prior to the match that he would not want anyone going off for a minute when uninjured, so don't shout "Ref, Ref, head" every time someone goes to ground.
That worked (with two sensible coaches)