Micro shin pads
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I'm sure it could be and no doubt some players would argue it.
Going by that argument we should now allow paper shinguards because the material is not our responsibility either.
I have already comment on the 'responsibility' wording. Let's not use ifab's inability to word intent to shirk responsibility. And let's not turn something ifab intended to tighten shinguard safety to something that loosens it.
From the way you have constructed your post I have a feeling we are in the same page.
To be fair, they aren't really the same.
The whole point of same coloured under garments is to aid the referees decision making and avoiding kit colour clashes. This is something that can directly impact you as the referee and the outcome of a game on KMD.
Other jewellery etc can affect other players safety so that's also different.
Shin Guards affect the wearer and the wearer alone and to a certain extent I do side with the fact that they have to bear most if not all all of the personal responsibility of protecting themselves and the level of protection that they feel is necessary.
There is no need for paper shinguards, as you can now buy the micro shin pads anyway
I dont think we will.
But, I do agree on that they are compulsory, and we must check they at least have something on.
Where we disagree is how far those checks must go. It's not for us to say too big, too small, unsuitable material (provided they pose no safety risk to other participants) and those points are up to that's to the players discretion. Leaving that to refs to decide also creates I consistency between games.
Ultimately your role is to check they have them on. That's it.
Yeah, I agree, and that IFAB reply pretty much kills this off as a debate. We have to enforce they have something of suitable material on, but if they want to risk themselves by wearing tiny pads that is their choice. They might even be going on some kind of medical evidence / advice, it is the middle of the tibia that is most at risk of breaks.
The truth is really then that’s the need for shin pads should simply be removed - there are no specs - it’s clear to me that the referee has no authority - so a simple postage stamp stuck to the shin could be argued by player “my choice” - so IFAB should have the b*lls to either remove any reference or put some kind of definition against a shin pad - for me that should/would be a Shinpad that meets CE approvalTo be fair, they aren't really the same.
The whole point of same coloured under garments is to aid the referees decision making and avoiding kit colour clashes. This is something that can directly impact you as the referee and the outcome of a game on KMD.
Other jewellery etc can affect other players safety so that's also different.
Shin Guards affect the wearer and the wearer alone and to a certain extent I do side with the fact that they have to bear most if not all all of the personal responsibility of protecting themselves and the level of protection that they feel is necessary.
There is no need for paper shinguards, as you can now buy the micro shin pads anyway
As far as grassroots is concerned I believe that clubs should be educating their players/parents (I also have a role as Club Welfare Officer)
Not quite. The material, that the shin guard is made from, has to provide reasonable protection, and that is where the referee can step in and take preventative action.
Can they? I have until recently argued for this point - but have been argued down and presented with IFAB “memos” that suggest we have NO authority to decline a Shinpad and that it is COMPLETELY the player’s responsibility
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I only really notice shin pads, when they fall out a players sock.
Possibly a knock test hahaa, ask the player to knock it so you can hear it. Then move on.
I get why people above are annoyed and possibly feel powerless. But the only people that have power here, right now are the players and the coaching teams. Leave it to them.