Man Utd vs Ipswich

[Kent Ref]

Under the current Premiership LOTG it has to be red.

I agree the 4O should have spotted this though.

 

[Kent Ref]

For me, and this digresses slightly, by far the biggest problem with refereeing at the highest level outside of VAR and this pursuit of perfection, is the fact there are clearly instructions/guidance given to ignore or go soft on certain LOTG, particularly dissent, the failure of FAs to deal with post-match comments and media analysis, and the impact this has throughout the game.

This.

 

[deusex]

That didn't happen, clearly if there is no contact then is very unlikely to be SFP, but there was. The only question is did it use excessive force and / or endanger the safety of an opponent, and there is zero doubt that it did. Not saying it was intentional, but it doesn't need to be.

The red card was for the way the tackle panned out. We all say that shouldn't matter but it does at this level.
It's clearly not excessive force.
Endangering the safety is a stretch but the only category we can blag this into.
Same tackle will happen this weekend and I won't be able to post about it cos it won't even be shown on the highlights.

 

[RustyRef]

The red card was for the way the tackle panned out. We all say that shouldn't matter but it does at this level.
It's clearly not excessive force.
Endangering the safety is a stretch but the only category we can blag this into.
Same tackle will happen this weekend and I won't be able to post about it cos it won't even be shown on the highlights.

You really need to take the red blinkers off, not sure I've found any referee that doesn't think it was a red card. Have Man Utd even appealed the red card, if not that really shows how nailed on it was.

 

[Runner Ref]

The red card was for the way the tackle panned out. We all say that shouldn't matter but it does at this level.
It's clearly not excessive force.
Endangering the safety is a stretch but the only category we can blag this into.
Same tackle will happen this weekend and I won't be able to post about it cos it won't even be shown on the highlights.

I’d like to think I have a slightly higher threshold than others when it comes to SFP, and this is a stonewall red card. I’m not entirely sure how it could be described any other way.

Add to the fact that me and Rusty actually agree on it. And that doesn’t happen too often. Plus he makes a very good point about the lack of appeal. With the way appeals have favoured clubs recently, Utd would have been appealing if they thought they had a mm of a chance.

 

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by far the biggest problem with refereeing at the highest level outside of VAR and this pursuit of perfection, is the fact there are clearly instructions/guidance given to ignore or go soft on certain LOTG, particularly dissent, the failure of FAs to deal with post-match comments and media analysis, and the impact this has throughout the game.

I'm glad you mentioned this. Because for me, the same thing that motivates/influences this is also influencing the appeal process.
(Want to be absolutely clear that this is not a dig at the integrity of those in an appeal panel)

Also I wanted to make sure we are clear that firstly, I am not saying we don't need an appeal process. Secondly I am not just criticising the appeal process. It's only one or more of the three, appeal process, VAR process and standard of top level refereeing. And that is evident by the number critical incident Flip flops.

 

[The Gump]

I'm glad you mentioned this. Because for me, the same thing that motivates/influences this is also influencing the appeal process.
(Want to be absolutely clear that this is not a dig at the integrity of those in an appeal panel)

Also I wanted to make sure we are clear that firstly, I am not saying we don't need an appeal process. Secondly I am not just criticising the appeal process. It's only one or more of the three, appeal process, VAR process and standard of top level refereeing. And that is evident by the number critical incident Flip flops.

Understood.

Ultimately, I think we’re aligned on VAR as it’s created further problems (and a myriad of them) and solved few. I’m neutral on the standard of refereeing, but think we’ll have to respectfully agree to disagree on whether the appeals process is part of the problem.