Law 15 & 16 - Blowing the whistle to start the count?

[norfolkref]

Hi all

So I had my summer CPD the last week of June, and have tried to apply all the new LoTG (where applicable) in my pre-season games. The only one I am not understanding is why the necessity to blow my whistle to start a 5 second countdown??

I think the idea in principle is good, and I love the 8 second count for a catch for the GK but having recently been promoted from 7-6, both my MDCs and CPDs during that time were about match control, and "using the whistle" where appropriate.

For me, having to blow my whistle to start a 5 second count causes a bit more confusion for the players who are probably thinking "what's he blowing his whistle for now".

We're not blowing it for 8 second count, and we wouldn't blow it any other time unless necessary so I don't really understand why the FA have not recommended just doing a normal 5 second count? Unsure if anyone else is finding this to be an issue or foresees it becoming an issue?

I've not had to apply a reversal or a corner yet, I prefer to try hurry them along a bit if it's taking some time, and have made a point of speaking to both teams before kick-off to go through things so there's no surprises. I have started a few counts but not got down to reversing or indicating for a corner but am finding there's a couple of seconds more of confusion once you blow the whistle to start the count! Interested to know what others are doing elsewhere or have been recommended by their CFA as I know it can be different everywhere.

Cheers

 

[RustyRef]

It is very different to the 8 second keeper release law though, you can't blow the whistle there as the ball is live. At throw ins and goal kicks it is dead so I guess the idea of blowing the whistle is to get their attention to make sure they know the count down is starting.

I do agree though that it goes against the long instilled coaching mantra of don't overuse the whistle.

 

[Kes]

Hi all

So I had my summer CPD the last week of June, and have tried to apply all the new LoTG (where applicable) in my pre-season games. The only one I am not understanding is why the necessity to blow my whistle to start a 5 second countdown??

I think the idea in principle is good, and I love the 8 second count for a catch for the GK but having recently been promoted from 7-6, both my MDCs and CPDs during that time were about match control, and "using the whistle" where appropriate.

For me, having to blow my whistle to start a 5 second count causes a bit more confusion for the players who are probably thinking "what's he blowing his whistle for now".

We're not blowing it for 8 second count, and we wouldn't blow it any other time unless necessary so I don't really understand why the FA have not recommended just doing a normal 5 second count? Unsure if anyone else is finding this to be an issue or foresees it becoming an issue?

I've not had to apply a reversal or a corner yet, I prefer to try hurry them along a bit if it's taking some time, and have made a point of speaking to both teams before kick-off to go through things so there's no surprises. I have started a few counts but not got down to reversing or indicating for a corner but am finding there's a couple of seconds more of confusion once you blow the whistle to start the count! Interested to know what others are doing elsewhere or have been recommended by their CFA as I know it can be different everywhere.

Cheers

Remember, it's only if/when you think the player taking the throw is taking too much time.

The best way to do it I'd imagine (once you've decided they're taking too long) would be to give a short blast of the whistle as we've been instructed, immediately accompanied by words to the effect of "Okay, too long - 5, 4, 3 etc.)

I've not done it myself yet, but unless advised otherwise by better referees than I, that's the approach I'll be taking. Doing it this way will signal the start of the countdown and also lets everybody else know what's going on.

 

[Archer]

The idea is to keep the game flowing.

• When you feel the team has an opportunity to restart, give them a “let’s go then…”

• If little/no response to actively get going, quick PEEP and start the visual and verbal countdown from 5

• If after 0 no restart, then reverse.

Players should no longer be surprised by this. Do what the FA have requested, consistently.

 

[SMYeaSM]

Hi all

So I had my summer CPD the last week of June, and have tried to apply all the new LoTG (where applicable) in my pre-season games. The only one I am not understanding is why the necessity to blow my whistle to start a 5 second countdown??

I think the idea in principle is good, and I love the 8 second count for a catch for the GK but having recently been promoted from 7-6, both my MDCs and CPDs during that time were about match control, and "using the whistle" where appropriate.

For me, having to blow my whistle to start a 5 second count causes a bit more confusion for the players who are probably thinking "what's he blowing his whistle for now".

We're not blowing it for 8 second count, and we wouldn't blow it any other time unless necessary so I don't really understand why the FA have not recommended just doing a normal 5 second count? Unsure if anyone else is finding this to be an issue or foresees it becoming an issue?

I've not had to apply a reversal or a corner yet, I prefer to try hurry them along a bit if it's taking some time, and have made a point of speaking to both teams before kick-off to go through things so there's no surprises. I have started a few counts but not got down to reversing or indicating for a corner but am finding there's a couple of seconds more of confusion once you blow the whistle to start the count! Interested to know what others are doing elsewhere or have been recommended by their CFA as I know it can be different everywhere.

Cheers

I have "blended it" into what I have been doing previously, usually the tactic of stealing a few yards from a throw-in also delays the restart of play, if the player is taking a little bit of time, I have blown the whistle and given verbal commands like I normally would "that's enough, from there please, (now adding in)you have a 5 count..." and then started the countdown.