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Kompany - Leicester v Man City

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Kompany's challenge on Vardy after 2 minutes.

Yellow card shown by referee Graham Scott, anyone think it should have been red for DOGSO?
 
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Yes, definite red card. There is no way that Stones would have got even close to catching Vardy.
 
Definite red card, we got lucky there. Gut instinct was yellow, but that was because I thought Stones was covering, which he clearly wasn't.
 
How obvious is the goal scoring opportunity here?
I think he has a long way to go. That's the only thing turning orange for me.
I can accept the yellow decision based on distance from goal and possibility that two defenders might get across to affect the chance. Vardy is sh*t off a hot shovel though...
 
red card.
Anyone thinking otherwise is making excuses not to send the player off, which is the wrong mindset when it comes to this kind of call, it should not be a case of, can I justify a yellow, it should be, can i justify a red. Which indeed this is.
 
If we look at what law says ...

The following must be considered:
• distance between the offence and the goal - definitely ticks this, he is much closer to goal than he is the half way line
• general direction of the play - charging straight toward goal so this one is ticked
• likelihood of keeping or gaining control of the ball - has the ball fully under control, so again, ticked
• location and number of defenders - Kompany is obviously out of the equation, so that just leaves Stones. Vardy has a head start on him, and whilst Stones is no slouch, there is no way he would or could catch him. The only other player in picture, which I assume is Delph, has even less chance of catching him.

All four requirements fully ticked, there is no doubt at all it should have been a red card. I suspect it actually would have been had it not happened so early in the game.
 
I even think above, you are making it seem like we need to assess the sprinting abilty of said defender before making the call. Regardless of whether Stones is faster than Bolt, its his position at the time of the offence, nothing to do with the probability of his fitness level or sprinting skills.
 
Peter Grove said:
A long way to go? He's a few yards outside the penalty area, clean through with only the keeper to beat. I think it's pretty much the definition of an obvious goal scoring opportunity.
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I agree, that's certainly and area where I'd be considering DOGSO. Red card for me by the way.
 
Ciley Myrus said:
I even think above, you are making it seem like we need to assess the sprinting abilty of said defender before making the call. Regardless of whether Stones is faster than Bolt, its his position at the time of the offence, nothing to do with the probability of his fitness level or sprinting skills.
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Agreed, the relative abilities of the players shouldn't come in to it.
 
Its simple case of a light blue shirt. How many light blue shirts, where are the light blue shirts, end of. Whether one happens to be Francesco Baresi or William Prunier is irrelative.
 
I don't want to, and I'm certainly not going to criticise the Graham Scott here. But I'd like to understand his thinking.
Was it possible for Stones as the only realistic covering defender to make a challenge on Vardy? That can be the only possible reason why Kompany wasn't shown a RC. A sending off offence is a sending off offence regardless
of which minute in the game it has occurred. I'm sure if Kompany had thrown a right hook he would have received his marching orders. So for me the ref must have believed that Stones had a real chance of making a challenge.
Personally, like everyone else I thought it was a red! But I've seen it quite a few times and been able to form a considered opinion.
 
Peter Grove said:
A long way to go? He's a few yards outside the penalty area, clean through with only the keeper to beat. I think it's pretty much the definition of an obvious goal scoring opportunity.
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If you're calling 20 yards a few, then I agree! I think distance from goal and the two defenders make it a plausible decision, but couldn't argue with any great conviction against a red.
 
PinnerPaul said:
If you're calling 20 yards a few, then I agree! I think distance from goal and the two defenders make it a plausible decision, but couldn't argue with any great conviction against a red.
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TBF I think the grass stripes are about 8 yards so the initial challenge might have been 15 ish yards outside the box. But I also think that it ticks all the criteria here. But I understand that the ref could have had a doubt based on Stones covering and distance from goal.

I think this is a great reminder that we have to be willing to make the hard decisions at any time in a game.
Everytime I look at this it gets redder and redder!
 
I remember having two tasty teams with a reputation for tasty Derby games. One manager asked me to address his players before the game, not one for speeches so I gave them a 30 second sermon on what was expected and what wasn’t. Felt great, blew the whistle first challenge of note two square ups, two yellow cards, after that they were like putty in my hands. It’s never too early to make tough calls, it is what it is regardless of the minute!
 
I have another take on this.
Someone might correct me but, this referee is not a regular in the league and certainly not at the top teams in the league
Here he is, after waiting years to get a shot at the league leaders and favs, and after two mins he has what he cant 100% be sure is a red card for Citys captain
I suppose it depends what kind of referee and/or person you are
Some would thrive on the chance to lay down your marker on the biggest team
Some would be thinking it through over and over again, making sure dismissal was a last resort. Its only human that internal and external factors play their part.
Atkinson would red card without batting an eyelid. One, because he is a better more experienced referee and two, because he knows instantly its the corrrect call
This referee maybe just had too much going through his mind so early on
 
Grasshopper said:
I don't want to, and I'm certainly not going to criticise the Graham Scott here. But I'd like to understand his thinking.
Was it possible for Stones as the only realistic covering defender to make a challenge on Vardy? That can be the only possible reason why Kompany wasn't shown a RC. A sending off offence is a sending off offence regardless
of which minute in the game it has occurred. I'm sure if Kompany had thrown a right hook he would have received his marching orders. So for me the ref must have believed that Stones had a real chance of making a challenge.
Personally, like everyone else I thought it was a red! But I've seen it quite a few times and been able to form a considered opinion.
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It’s much easier from an observer’s view point to say the time of the offence makes no difference. But in effect, right or wrong, the bigger the impact of your decision on changing the outcome and the course of the game the more you would want to be sure of it. The earlier the send-off, the bigger the impact.
I guess in this case he couldn’t find the degree of certainty he wanted for a send-off at the time. I suspect he realises he has made the wrong decision now.

BTW, the grass cutting stripes are 6 yards wide (3rd stripe from goal line ends on the 18 yard line). So the distance was just over 12 yards from PA.
 
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