Don't worry, some of the Observers will be at both - I definitely will be.i hope what is said at this meeting corresponds to what is said at the pool meeting next month so that we're both working from the same set of interpretations/assumptions!
Don't worry, some of the Observers will be at both - I definitely will be.i hope what is said at this meeting corresponds to what is said at the pool meeting next month so that we're both working from the same set of interpretations/assumptions!
You can normally tell by the player's body language as well as what is happening in the game. A player from the losing side, or even with the scores even unless his team are major underdogs, is hardly likely to try and delay the restart. In my experience where it is dissent the ball tends to travel much further as it is kicked in anger, whereas when delaying the restart players often try to get away with it by kicking it relatively small distances
Don't worry, some of the Observers will be at both - I definitely will be.
Me too depending on availability. Never been so busyGood stuff!
where it is dissent the ball tends to travel much further as it is kicked in anger,
So a stationary striker in offside position (only just) receives the ball from a team mate. You call offside. He kicks the ball away into the stands (or the next suburb) clearly in anger about your decision. He is already on a yellow. The comp uses sin bin. What is your decision?If he's kicked the ball away because he doesn't like your decision (ie doesn't think it was a foul) then I'm going dissent.
He gets a caution for dissent and a sin binSo a stationary striker in offside position (only just) receives the ball from a team mate. You call offside. He kicks the ball away into the stands (or the next suburb) clearly in anger about your decision. He is already on a yellow. The comp uses sin bin. What is your decision?
Has he not delayed the restart?He gets a caution for dissent and a sin bin
Is his team winning? If yes, he has delayed the restart. If no, then he might have committed an act of dissent.So a stationary striker in offside position (only just) receives the ball from a team mate. You call offside. He kicks the ball away into the stands (or the next suburb) clearly in anger about your decision. He is already on a yellow. The comp uses sin bin. What is your decision?
Who are these "course leaders"? Anyone delivering the Temporary Dismissal workshops should have attended a webinar from Mark Ives and preferably be trained as an Affiliate Tutor specialising in refereeing.Then there's already a big disparity in what tutors and course-leaders are teaching
I appreciate that you are using "what football expects" here. But from LOTG view point, it doesn't say "A player is cautioned if guilty of: delaying the restart of play with intent to do so". or "if his team is winning" If a player commits the offence, he is guilty of it. If you want to teach it the way you put it, it is your prerogative but it is technically not in accordance with the laws of the game. What the player has done is dissent by action as well as delayed the restart of play at the same time. The correct LOTG decision is to punish the more serious offence. In the past it made no difference. But now that we have sin bin, sometimes DTROP is the correct decision until there is a law change to say otherwise.Is his team winning? If yes, he has delayed the restart. If no, then he might have committed an act of dissent.
Wow. I hadn't thought about it that way. But will that not create a massive inconsistency.The correct LOTG decision is to punish the more serious offence. In the past it made no difference. But now that we have sin bin, sometimes DTROP is the correct decision until there is a law change to say otherwise.
Me too depending on availability. Never been so busy
Wow. I hadn't thought about it that way. But will that not create a massive inconsistency.
You are saying that in one game a player could launch it in to the next suburb and get a sin bin.
In the same game another player could commit the sameoffenceaction but be sent off for SBO.
Are you not punishing the outcome rather than the action there? Is it really a simultaneous offence?
There are times where it might be but is it not mostly one or the other?
But... they're not always two offences.The correct LOTG decision is to punish the more serious offence. In the past it made no difference. But now that we have sin bin, sometimes DTROP is the correct decision until there is a law change to say otherwise.
AgreedBut... they're not always two offences.
Agreed again. Read my posts further up. Start with post #9 and then this one which is post #36 you quoted is referring to.It's not always dissent. It's not always delaying the restart.
This for me is dissent and delaying the restart.So a stationary striker in offside position (only just) receives the ball from a team mate. You call offside. He kicks the ball away into the stands (or the next suburb) clearly in anger about your decision. He is already on a yellow. The comp uses sin bin. What is your decision?
I think you are contradicting yourself there.It will always be one or the other... on rare occasions it might actually be both.
Thanks. Saved the world again, eh? Spirit of the game and all that twaddle, y'know. #justsayinI appreciate that you are using "what football expects" here.
So a stationary striker in offside position (only just) receives the ball from a team mate. You call offside. He kicks the ball away into the stands (or the next suburb) clearly in anger about your decision. He is already on a yellow. The comp uses sin bin. What is your decision?