Grabbing Knackers
- Thread starter Big Cat
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C1.
Can't decide between Stimulation or Pulling an opponent?
Can't decide between Stimulation or Pulling an opponent?
Given that when it happened Vinnie was frequently committing GBH on players I suspect that even had the officials seen it they would have brushed it off.
Today it would certainly be a red card, and given it involved contact with genitals I suspect an extraordinary incident would be required.
Today it would certainly be a red card, and given it involved contact with genitals I suspect an extraordinary incident would be required.
Interesting everyone is saying VC...
I'd say it can be either depending on the nature of the incident.
If it's done in an aggressive / violent way then it's VC.
If it's more of an inappropriate action (i.e. not aggressive /violent) then I'd be inclined to say it sits in offinabus ("Verbal or physical behaviour which is rude, hurtful, disrespectful; punishable by a sending-off (red card)")
I'd say it can be either depending on the nature of the incident.
If it's done in an aggressive / violent way then it's VC.
If it's more of an inappropriate action (i.e. not aggressive /violent) then I'd be inclined to say it sits in offinabus ("Verbal or physical behaviour which is rude, hurtful, disrespectful; punishable by a sending-off (red card)")
I'm strongly inclined to think it's OFFINABUS (with an ER)
It may be possible for a player to successfully appeal a charge of Violent Conduct, whereas OFFINABUS is irrefutable
Whilst it would be sexual assault if it happened whilst walking down the street, the same does not hold true in the context of the Sporting Arena
In a WhatsApp Group full of younger folk, they unanimously argued VC. My different view on the subject seems to be a generational thing
I think there is a good argument for emotional hurt and damage being intended by grabbing someone's genitals. Why else would you possibly want to do that?
I can understand that. However, IMHO, grabbing that area of someone's body is being reported in an extraordinary as well as RC anyway. So, if The FA/CFA disagree with the code, they can change their punishment accordingly. It definitely has to be one of those two.
And I am presumably somewhere in the middle, perhaps.
Its all in context isn't it. I can see the VC argument but it does fit more into offinabus imo.
Yes but emotional hurt is covered by offence, insult and abuse.
Is it always @JamesL that manages to convince people?
A player saying they're going to knock my head in or words to that effect are definitely intending emotional distress, but as James pointed out, they're going for OFFINABUS.
For reference, VC gets the player banned one game longer minimum
- But seriously, for me it's a violent act, but I totally get the argument for S6
For reference, VC gets the player banned one game longer minimum
- But seriously, for me it's a violent act, but I totally get the argument for S6
Umm, I would doubt that as the ER would most likely raise a more serious charge and the standard punishments would not be sufficient.For reference, VC gets the player banned one game longer minimum
Devils advocate - what is violent about it?
Yeah was only messing. The ER would take it up to the ban length after a disciplinary process. Actually makes no grand difference in terms of sanction or anything.
Without getting into specifics of sack grabbing, I'd guess if its done with intensity or any intent to cause any reasonable harm (which I understand is what you were getting at earlier). For me, the act is inherently violent, however I think that's more a hunch than any real justifiable belief. I'd agree with your OFFINABUS
I'm struggling to see any argument against VC. If someone grabs your nuts and squeezes it is done to cause you pain, how is that not in any way violent?
Add to that, these days it is also arguably going to be classed as sexual assault. Making unwanted contact with someone's genitals is the very definition of that.
Add to that, these days it is also arguably going to be classed as sexual assault. Making unwanted contact with someone's genitals is the very definition of that.
I think in reality it's contextual. It can't be inherently violent because it could be done in a non-violent manner, just as easily as it could be done in a violent manner. Without the context it's difficult to draw a conclusion on what the action caused offence, insult or abuse, or whether it was brutal / UEF (let's not go down the any contact is excessive rabbit hole again).