Gomez challenge on Wirtz

[redref2005]

I know it was lucky of Wirtz to get a penalty the other day but the challenge on him on Saturday was surely worthy of a red card.

This has already been discussed by Dale Johnson at the BBC.

I appreciate it's difficult for ref's to analyse the game via VAR but I wonder if it's better to have ref's who are full time VAR's rather than taking turns?

VAR: Why Diego Gomez should have been sent off for tackle on Florian Wirtz

Premier League VARs continue have a problem with red cards. And Diego Gomez's tackle on Florian Wirtz shows it.

www.bbc.co.uk

Video on Sky Sports:

Ref Watch: Should Brighton's Diego Gomez have been sent off vs Liverpool?

Dermot Gallagher and Jay Bothroyd are both stunned that Brightons Diego Gomez escaped a red card for his challenge on Florian Wirtz during Liverpools 2-0 win at Anfield on Saturday.

www.skysports.com

 

[RefereeX]

To respond to the more sensible point about having specialist VARs, I think you may well eventually see a shift in that direction. There are a few EFL referees now trained and acting as VAR on the premier league and they're tending to do a good job. One in particular has done about 10 games, recommended 3 OFRs and all 3 have been deemed correct, while he hasn't been deemed to have missed any he should have recommended either.

 

[bester]

Very poor refereeing all round.

 

[one]

I thought it was a clear and obvious error and should have been red. But I am just tired of pundits feeding readers wrong information.

Dale Johnson: "VAR Darren England reviewed the challenge but ruled that it was not made with excessive force and was not serious foul play so did not upgrade it to a red card."

After just reading this bit, I just stopped reading as there is not credibility. That is not how VAR works and DJ should know it. Firstly VAR doesn't upgrade the red card, referee does. Secondly, VAR doesn't recommend a review because "they rule" it was SFP, they do because "they rule" not being SFP is clearly and obviously wrong (big difference).

 

[bester]

@one He goes on to discuss why it endangered the safety and should have been a red.

Dale Johnson is just parroting back the justification he was given by PGMO for no red or what the audio says.

 

[one]

@one He goes on to discuss why it endangered the safety and should have been a red.

Sure. Which means he thinks (and many others including me) it should have been red and he justifies it. But for a VAR intervention he has to justify why not being red is clearly and obviously wrong which is a much higher bar than it should be red. And my other point still stands, he is saying VAR upgrades or downgrades cards. If he is just passing on what PGMOL has said, then they are both misleading the audience with wrong information.

 

[JamesL]

I know it was lucky of Wirtz to get a penalty the other day but the challenge on him on Saturday was surely worthy of a red card. This is the 3rd time that Darren England on VAR has controversy not given a foul or a red card upgrade for a challenge on a Liverpool player.

This has already been discussed by Dale Johnson at the BBC but I am surprised that Liverpool haven't complained enough that this referee continues to do VAR games with Liverpool and it end up as having a major issue. I appreciate it's difficult for ref's to analyse the game via VAR but I wonder if it's better to have ref's who are full time VAR's rather than taking turns?

VAR: Why Diego Gomez should have been sent off for tackle on Florian Wirtz

Premier League VARs continue have a problem with red cards. And Diego Gomez's tackle on Florian Wirtz shows it.

www.bbc.co.uk

Video on Sky Sports:

Ref Watch: Should Brighton's Diego Gomez have been sent off vs Liverpool?

Dermot Gallagher and Jay Bothroyd are both stunned that Brightons Diego Gomez escaped a red card for his challenge on Florian Wirtz during Liverpools 2-0 win at Anfield on Saturday.

www.skysports.com

This is bordering on fan posting.... Keeping tabs on specific refs against specific teams is very clearly loaded with fan bias.

Please carry on the discussion but do so in the right way, please.

 

[Paul_10]

It's another classic case of finding an excuse not to send a player off it feels(VAR seemingly not recommending a review as it did not follow through) and for the vast majority of SG1 refs, detecting SFP on the field is still a real issue and it has been ever since VAR came in.

Nothing will change my mindset referees are afraid to be embarrassed that they might have to downgrade a red to a yellow hence you hardly ever see it.

 

[redref2005]

This is bordering on fan posting.... Keeping tabs on specific refs against specific teams is very clearly loaded with fan bias.

Please carry on the discussion but do so in the right way, please.

Apologies James - I'll hold back from providing stats in future about any one team. If I provided all the stats for all teams does that make it fair though?

 

[JamesL]

Apologies James - I'll hold back from providing stats in future about any one team. If I provided all the stats for all teams does that make it fair though?

No it's about the fact that you are coming here to referee bash (wrong place!) and clearly based only upon the team that you, based on recent postings/evidence support, which then gives a whiff of suggesting something else is going on against your team.

We can't be any clearer, we won't accept it on this site.

It's entirely possible to question a decision without resorting to ref bashing or conspiracy theorising. A good example would be to look at the amendments I made to your post. Same, perfectly legitimate questions but no fan bias.

 

[redref2005]

No it's about the fact that you are coming here to referee bash (wrong place!) and clearly based only upon the team that you, based on recent postings/evidence support, which then gives a whiff of suggesting something else is going on against your team.

We can't be any clearer, we won't accept it on this site.

It's entirely possible to question a decision without resorting to ref bashing or conspiracy theorising. A good example would be to look at the amendments I made to your post. Same, perfectly legitimate questions but no fan bias.

I'll hold back but to be honest I've not got it in for any referee, I just want to see fair refereeing and I don't think the PGMOL seem to have any accountability for the actions of the referee's who work under them. The system doesn't work currently as far as I can see it but I'm hopeful that over time this will improve.

 

[RustyRef]

I'll hold back but to be honest I've not got it in for any referee, I just want to see fair refereeing and I don't think the PGMOL seem to have any accountability for the actions of the referee's who work under them. The system doesn't work currently as far as I can see it but I'm hopeful that over time this will improve.

Still the wrong forum for that though.

 

[one]

Sometimes its not what is said but how it is said. It is the implications of things that are not directly said but suggested.

Here is another example.

I just want to see fair refereeing

On the filed, the one I didnt take kindly to was "you are giving them all the 50/50s". First one got a very harsh warning and next one was either dissent or offinabus.