Goalkeeper handling it twice?

[pdhmobile]

Goalkeeper goes down on one knee to save a daisy cutter of a shot with both hands. He pushes the ball forward with his hands, stands up and touches it forward a couple of time with his foot. Then a forward closes him down and he swoops down, picks up the ball and runs to the side of the attacker and throws it out to the wing. Shouts of he can't do that!!

Can he?

My rationale was that he hadn't picked it up there when he picked it up it was his first time.

What you reckon refs?

 

[OnlyUseMeWhistle]

Goalkeeper goes down on one knee to save a daisy cutter of a shot with both hands. He pushes the ball forward with his hands, stands up and touches it forward a couple of time with his foot. Then a forward closes him down and he swoops down, picks up the ball and runs to the side of the attacker and throws it out to the wing. Shouts of he can't do that!!

Can he?

My rationale was that he hadn't picked it up there when he picked it up it was his first time.

What you reckon refs?

Depends - if he’s parried it with his hands then sure but if he’s judged as in control of the ball and then has pushed it out (like rolling it out but he’s on the floor already) then it’s an IDFK

 

[JamesL]

Sounds like he made a save by your description so no offence.

 

[RustyRef]

I was on the line for an L4 where this happened, keeper parried a shot, dribbled it out and then picked it up as an attacker came to challenge him. He penalised it, a goal was scored from the IDFK, and what had been a comfortable game for him turned into a bit of a disaster. When I asked him about if after he said that the keeper could have easily caught the ball from the first shot and because of this wasn't entitled to handle it a second time. I didn't agree, there were no appeals, it surprised and shocked everyone and absolutely wasn't the expected decision.

Unless they actually pick the ball up I wouldn't be going anywhere near this.

 

[socal lurker]

They took the l gauge about the party out a few years ago, probably because it did more harm than good. I’ve got no offense as described in the OP.

 

[one]

Goalkeeper goes down on one knee to save a daisy cutter of a shot with both hands. He pushes the ball forward with his hands,

Here is what the relevant laws say as they stand now:

An indirect free kick is awarded if a goalkeeper, inside their penalty area, commits any of the following offences:
• touches the ball with the hand/arm after releasing it and before it has touched another player

LOTG doesn't define release so it is up to your interpretation. For me, as described the action is not a release.

 

[bester]

This needs looking at with the 8 second law, it will be increasingly used to waste time.

Attack is forced to close down the goalkeeper with no hope of winning the ball.
At the lower levels I've seen players lose their heads and two foot the goalkeeper.

The count could start when the goalkeeper is in possession inside his own penalty area similar to Futsal.

It would also reduce the attacker having to stand around outside the box to stop the goalkeeper dropping it after 7 seconds.

 

[socal lurker]

As I noted above, IFAB removed the prior language that made this a double tocuh offense by the GK. It’s not going to change back unless we see a real problem actually occurring at the top levels of the game.

 

[bester]

As I noted above, IFAB removed the prior language that made this a double tocuh offense by the GK. It’s not going to change back unless we see a real problem actually occurring at the top levels of the game.

That's not what I was proposing. Simply that the 8 seconds count would apply to the whole period when the goalkeeper is in possession of the ball.

Futsal wording


"Possession of the ball means that the goalkeeper has control of the ball. The
goalkeeper is considered to be in control of the ball by touching it with any part of
the body, except if the ball rebounds off the goalkeeper.
A goalkeeper is not permitted to be in possession of the ball inside their own half
of the pitch for more than four seconds, whether:
• with the hands or arms (inside their penalty area);
• with the feet (anywhere in their own half of the pitch)."

 

[one]

That's not what I was proposing. Simply that the 8 seconds count would apply to the whole period when the goalkeeper is in possession of the ball.

Futsal wording


"Possession of the ball means that the goalkeeper has control of the ball. The
goalkeeper is considered to be in control of the ball by touching it with any part of
the body, except if the ball rebounds off the goalkeeper.
A goalkeeper is not permitted to be in possession of the ball inside their own half
of the pitch for more than four seconds, whether:
• with the hands or arms (inside their penalty area);
• with the feet (anywhere in their own half of the pitch)."

I don't see this happening in footbal and tbh I don't see the need for it. It's a necessity in futsal because allowing the keeper to have unlimited possession gives the team with the ball a big numerical advantage (+20% considering the opposition keeper remains in goal). Any team leading will turn defensive when in posession and will be very hard to disposess them without a huge risk of falling even further behind. The same doesn't apply in football.

I don't really see why we need to put time limitation on keepers while the ball is in play and the keeper can be challenged.

 

[socal lurker]

That's not what I was proposing. Simply that the 8 seconds count would apply to the whole period when the goalkeeper is in possession of the ball.

Futsal wording


"Possession of the ball means that the goalkeeper has control of the ball. The
goalkeeper is considered to be in control of the ball by touching it with any part of
the body, except if the ball rebounds off the goalkeeper.
A goalkeeper is not permitted to be in possession of the ball inside their own half
of the pitch for more than four seconds, whether:
• with the hands or arms (inside their penalty area);
• with the feet (anywhere in their own half of the pitch)."

My point was that IFAB removed a restriction based on the parry, making it extremely unlikely they agree with you this is a problem, regardless of potential solutions. And they won’t think so u til it becomes a real issue in top flight soccer. I would imagine they don’t think it is any due burden for attackers to challenge the GK, just as they would any other player. Futsal is a different game.

 

[bester]

One of the reasons they changed it was because it was something that very few referees were calling and those that were causing themselves huge problems.

At the time of the change they also weren't bothered about goalkeepers holding the ball for 30 seconds.

Not a top priority as there are many other areas of the game that need speeding up.