DOGSO advantage

[Redref34]

Hi all

My game today.

Striker goes through with one defender, keeper cones running out .. defender trips attacked outside the penalty box but attacker stays on feet and gets shot away (probably not as good as he would have had he not been tripped)

I give free kick and went yellow after lots of thinking time. Reason.. although I hadn’t shouted advantage I had delayed on the decision so did play it (I would have shouted but it happened so quick)


Correct decision? Does this come into the DOGSO advantage part of the law therefore yellow?

Arguments from players .. so if he had gone down ref red card we would have rather had that then advantage.

 

[Runner Ref]

To decide on whether it’s red or yellow, we’d need to know if the challenge was inside or outside of the PA

If the shot was affected by the challenge, then advantage hasn’t occurred and you’re correct to pull it back.

 

[Redref34]

Sorry outside penalty box. I’ll edit.

 

[The Ginger Ref]

Funnily enough we had a similar conversation come up last week and it was wonderfully clarified as such;

Advantage

If the referee plays the advantage for an offence for which a caution/sending-off would have been issued had play been stopped, this caution/sending-off must be issued when the ball is next out of play. However, if the offence was denying the opposing team an obvious goal-scoring opportunity, the player is cautioned for unsporting behaviour; if the offence was interfering with or stopping a promising attack, the player is not cautioned.

You can't issue a red card if you have played advantage from a potential DOGSO. (unless there is no advantage)

 

[Redref34]

Funnily enough we had a similar conversation come up last week and it was wonderfully clarified as such;

Advantage

If the referee plays the advantage for an offence for which a caution/sending-off would have been issued had play been stopped, this caution/sending-off must be issued when the ball is next out of play. However, if the offence was denying the opposing team an obvious goal-scoring opportunity, the player is cautioned for unsporting behaviour; if the offence was interfering with or stopping a promising attack, the player is not cautioned.

You can't issue a red card if you have played advantage from a potential DOGSO. (unless there is no advantage)

But obviously if I have played advantage but then bought it back and given free kick, that negates the advantage and therefore red card? I pulled it back as I thought the shot was affected therefore no good advantage. So I should have gone red or not given the free kick but yellow as above.

 

[Runner Ref]

But obviously if I have played advantage but then bought it back and given free kick, that negates the advantage and therefore red card? I pulled it back as I thought the shot was affected therefore no good advantage. So I should have gone red or not given the free kick but yellow as above.

Correct, if you pull it back and it’s DOGSO, then red. The shot doesn’t really come into it if you think it was affected by the challenge.

 

[The Ginger Ref]

But obviously if I have played advantage but then bought it back and given free kick, that negates the advantage and therefore red card? I pulled it back as I thought the shot was affected therefore no good advantage. So I should have gone red or not given the free kick but yellow as above.

I think I am wrong actually (the more experienced will sweep up my mess ) because the shot was impacted, the attacker lost an OGSO, it should be pulled back and a red card issued.

Had the goal been scored, or the shot hadn't been impacted, then a yellow card is expected for UB.

 

[Redref34]

I sold it so well that no one argued

 

[RustyRef]

In giving the free kick for the original foul you are saying the advantage didn't accrue, therefore if the challenge by the keeper ticked the boxes for DOGSO he should be sent off. He would only survive if you had deemed the advantage to have completed, if the attacking team somehow then messed it up he would only be cautioned.

 

[CaptainsPlease]

But obviously if I have played advantage but then bought it back and given free kick, that negates the advantage and therefore red card? I pulled it back as I thought the shot was affected therefore no good advantage. So I should have gone red or not given the free kick but yellow as above.

'Played advantage' is a bit vague. There is a difference between observing for potential advantage and signalling advantage. If you have got as far as signalling the advantage then you shouldn't be pulling it back for the free kick. If you are just initially watching to see if there is an advantage, then decide there hasn't been one, follow @RustyRef's advice (that's what I believe you've done from what you said, but may help clarify for others).

 

[Redref34]

In giving the free kick for the original foul you are saying the advantage didn't accrue, therefore if the challenge by the keeper ticked the boxes for DOGSO he should be sent off. He would only survive if you had deemed the advantage to have completed, if the attacking team somehow then messed it up he would only be cautioned.

But obviously no free kick?

 

[socal lurker]

If you give the FK, you give the red. If you don’t you give the yellow.

That’s because if you play advantage there is no free kick.

But I’d suggest the measure suggested above isn’t the right one. The question isn’t whether the shot was affected by the foul—at least not the full question. The question for advantage is whether the chance that was left after the foul (taking into account the effect of the foul on the shot) was better than the opportunity from the FK. If that opportunity was better, the advantage ensued, and I’d the player misses the shot, that’s just the player failing to execute. If that opportunity was it better, then the advantage didn’t ensue and it should come back for the Fk (and resulting red card).

 

[Silverref]

'Played advantage' is a bit vague. There is a difference between observing for potential advantage and signalling advantage. If you have got as far as signalling the advantage then you shouldn't be pulling it back for the free kick. If you are just initially watching to see if there is an advantage, then decide there hasn't been one, follow @RustyRef's advice (that's what I believe you've done from what you said, but may help clarify for others).

So are you saying that once you’ve signalled / shouted “advantage” is it not good practice to bing it back.

Must admit I’ve been shouting advantage to signal I’m playing advantage and if it doesn’t occur then I bring it back. I hadn’t factored what I was actually doing was observing for advantage.

 

[OldNavyRef]

You shouldn't play advantage then bring it back.

You either play advantage or don't.

As players will likely immediately try a worldy goal, or an insane throughball.

Two bites at the cherry and all that.

Which in your case sounds like you gave the player the shot and the free kick.

 

[OldNavyRef]

There is an aspect of smart refereeing where if the tackle and shot happen simultaneously you can maybe watch the flight of the ball to make sure you aren't blundering hard before blowing up the foul.

 

[Redref34]

You shouldn't play advantage then bring it back.

You either play advantage or don't.

As players will likely immediately try a worldy goal, or an insane throughball.

Two bites at the cherry and all that.

Which in your case sounds like you gave the player the shot and the free kick.

The shot was greatly impacted by the tackle.

So people are saying don’t shout advantage and then bring it back and say no advantage free kick?

 

[ARF]

'Played advantage' is a bit vague. There is a difference between observing for potential advantage and signalling advantage. If you have got as far as signalling the advantage then you shouldn't be pulling it back for the free kick. If you are just initially watching to see if there is an advantage, then decide there hasn't been one, follow @RustyRef's advice (that's what I believe you've done from what you said, but may help clarify for others).

You shouldn't play advantage then bring it back.

You either play advantage or don't.

Just because this is how they do it on the telly, doesn't mean we should be advising refs to do it at lower levels. Correct way as per the LotG is to signal advantage, and then blow for the offence if the advantage doesn't materialise within a few seconds.

 

[The Ginger Ref]

You shouldn't play advantage then bring it back.

You either play advantage or don't.

As players will likely immediately try a worldy goal, or an insane throughball.

Two bites at the cherry and all that.

Which in your case sounds like you gave the player the shot and the free kick.

Can't agree with you on this one Old Navy (but do agree on the two bites of a cherry)

You should signal advantage immediately but are well within your rights to pull the game back to the foul if an advantage is not gained.

In my opinion, not signalling advantage and then pulling the game back makes it harder to communicate to players in the event a player doesn't gain an advantage or those stupid shouts of "wheres the advantage ref?". I find it much easier to explain that a player trying a worldy goal or throughball has in fact had an advantage.

As the good book advises:

The referee can wait a few seconds to allow a possible advantage to develop, and if the non-offending team does not benefit and gains no advantage, the original free kick can be given. However, the non-offending team should not be given two chances, e.g. a player is fouled but recovers and has a shot at goal; if the player does not score, the referee cannot go back and give a free kick for the original offence.

 

[Ori]

I am aware that if you play advantage for denying a promising attack you can’t caution later.
I’ve always cautioned if I can for the offence as a foul tackle/shirt pull, but it’s just a normal booking then the advantage does negate it. I’m not sure I agree with this law, but it is what it is!

 

[one]

Correct way as per the LotG is to signal advantage, and then blow for the offence if the advantage doesn't materialise within a few seconds.

Where does it say that?

To be clear I am fairly certain it doesn't.