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george.g

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Hello,

I'm using the off season to just watch back matches and refereeing decisions in order to try and get better at my foul recognition, and make sure I'm also getting 'techincal' offences right coming into my first full season as a ref.

Following clip is pulled from FA Cup Semi Final 21, DFK.

Is the DFK for the city player to the left of the Chelsea defender 'obstructing' and being in that position, or is it for city attacker to the right who jumped over the chelsea defender.

Probably simple to some, but I can't quite place it. Any help appreciated :)

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✂️ CHE - MCI DFK

9 seconds · Clipped by G. Groves · Original video "FULL MATCH | Chelsea v Manchester City | Emirates FA Cup Semi-Final 2020-21" by The Emirates FA Cup
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ggroves.2 said:
Hello,

I'm using the off season to just watch back matches and refereeing decisions in order to try and get better at my foul recognition, and make sure I'm also getting 'techincal' offences right coming into my first full season as a ref.

Following clip is pulled from FA Cup Semi Final 21, DFK.

Is the DFK for the city player to the left of the Chelsea defender 'obstructing' and being in that position, or is it for city attacker to the right who jumped over the chelsea defender.

Probably simple to some, but I can't quite place it. Any help appreciated :)

youtube.com

✂️ CHE - MCI DFK

9 seconds · Clipped by G. Groves · Original video "FULL MATCH | Chelsea v Manchester City | Emirates FA Cup Semi-Final 2020-21" by The Emirates FA Cup
youtube.com youtube.com
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Direct free kick for pushing. Impeding without contact would be indirect.
 
I would give that for carelessly jumping at an opponent.

But at some point in your refereeing you just recognise a foul without having to go through the lotg reasons behind it. After that there would usually be several ways to justify it in the lotg. For example a trip with the foot can also be kicking an opponent.
 
I also don't think many folks would bat an eyelid at a no foul call here either.
This is a classic depends on how the game is going type foul. Just cracking on and playing I'd probably leave this, if the temperature was up I'd give it to slow the game down.
 
Max2 said:
City 21 pushes Chelsea 19 in the back while challenging for the header.
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I think this is a bit harsh. I wouldn't call it a push because there's no hands or arms involved. I'd call it a careless challenge.

I agree with JamesL that you could arguable let that slide.
 
Trip said:
I think this is a bit harsh. I wouldn't call it a push because there's no hands or arms involved. I'd call it a careless challenge.

I agree with JamesL that you could arguable let that slide.
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You are saying a push must involve hands or arms(?)
The offender crashed into the opponent's back, with no way of getting near the ball.
When penalised, no appeals or complaints from the offender or his team-mates.
You allow careless challenges to go with no free kick?
 
ChasObserverRefDeveloper said:
You are saying a push must involve hands or arms(?)
The offender crashed into the opponent's back, with no way of getting near the ball.
When penalised, no appeals or complaints from the offender or his team-mates.
You allow careless challenges to go with no free kick?
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Sounds more like a barge to me

Which is largely irrelevant obviously!
 
ChasObserverRefDeveloper said:
You are saying a push must involve hands or arms(?)
The offender crashed into the opponent's back, with no way of getting near the ball.
When penalised, no appeals or complaints from the offender or his team-mates.
You allow careless challenges to go with no free kick?
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I'd be fascinated to know how you got to "You allow careless challenges to go with no free kick?" from the post you're replying to.

I don't think the offence is a push. I agree it's a careless challenge, and have no problem with the free kick being awarded. I'd also have no problem if it wasn't.
 
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