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I think the IFAB might need to have a think whether deliberate still means deliberate. They were pretty clear in saying that the law needed no amendment, oy clarification, but a number of these 'not deliberate' videos look pretty bloody deliberate to me!
 
Redster said:
I think the IFAB might need to have a think whether deliberate still means deliberate. They were pretty clear in saying that the law needed no amendment, oy clarification, but a number of these 'not deliberate' videos look pretty bloody deliberate to me!
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the standard isn’t deliberate, but deliberate play. What they’ve really done is go backwards in time on the standards for deciding when a touch is a play. On one hand, I think this is more fair to defenders than it was last week, but at the same time, I think the dividing line is more vague now than it was last week.
 
ASM said:
Always fun when this comes out a few days before the start of the new season!
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the clips do not demonstrate anything new, they are merely a collection of e examples of how you should be determining offside..

for the last few seasons
 
Anubis said:
the clips do not demonstrate anything new, they are merely a collection of e examples of how you should be determining offside..

for the last few seasons
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In theory yes, but as others have pointed out there are a few that seem directly contrary to expectations of recent seasons so they are very much a change rather than a clarification.
 
Degnann said:
number 8. I don’t know how thats not a deliberate play
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Agree, am not flagging this, esp as AR on the far side.

A rare example where the 4th might be beet placed to judge the defenders actions, given its obvious to all the offside position of the striker
 
Degnann said:
number 8. I don’t know how thats not a deliberate play
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  • The player had time to coordinate their body movement, i.e. it was not a case of instinctive stretching or jumping, or a movement that achieved limited contact/control
  • A ball moving on the ground is easier to play than a ball in the air
I agree with you but based on what IFAB wrote here I can see how that isn't a deliberate play under these clarifications.
 
Anubis said:
the clips do not demonstrate anything new, they are merely a collection of e examples of how you should be determining offside..

for the last few seasons
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Officially, yes, that's what IFAB are trying to claim. Didn't have you pegged for someone who toes the company line!

In reality, of course it's a change. The guidelines are different, and they were also only published secretly before, where now this is publicly set out as the expectation. There is of course a twitter thread for this, in which a number of decisions are highlighted where the correct decision is different now to what it would have been a week ago:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1552351794906406914
 
JamesL said:
  • The player had time to coordinate their body movement, i.e. it was not a case of instinctive stretching or jumping, or a movement that achieved limited contact/control
  • A ball moving on the ground is easier to play than a ball in the air
I agree with you but based on what IFAB wrote here I can see how that isn't a deliberate play under these clarifications.
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Fair when you put it like this, not sure I’ll be processing all that when in the middle myself
 
‘Deliberate play’ is when a player has control of the ball with the possibility of:

  • passing the ball to a team-mate; or
  • gaining possession of the ball; or
  • clearing the ball (e.g. by kicking or heading it).
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Can someone please explain how you can have control of the ball prior to gaining possession of it - this one has eluded my comprehension completely! :confused:
 
ARF said:
Can someone please explain how you can have control of the ball prior to gaining possession of it - this one has eluded my comprehension completely! :confused:
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I think that's when they haven't touched it yet, but they are in control. Example slow moving ball towards goal line, defender following ball, they are not yet in possession but are in control of it .. that's my best guess.
 
JamesL said:
I think that's when they haven't touched it yet, but they are in control. Example slow moving ball towards goal line, defender following ball, they are not yet in possession but are in control of it .. that's my best guess.
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If it wasn't modelled up for me before it definitely is now. I mean after the new clarification not your explanation.

What you are saying is the possibility of gaining control (think DOGSO). Also if you think in terms of goal keeper control of ball then the whole thing take an extra level of confusion. I am going to sit this one out untill the dust is settled. For me this is another ifab clarification that has done the opposite and the my be a few flips and things getting worse before they get better, just like handball clarification.
 
I thought the old reasoning, even if unfair for defenders, was at least managable for referees. Now we'll have to make distinctions between what we can expect a certain level of footballer to find an easy or difficult ball to challenge for or control. I'll stick with some of the old reasoning for now until there's some more clarification although obviously deflection has become a bit broader
 
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