Danny Welbeck Penalty
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The question is, not if it is a penalty or not (that's matter of opinion which I really cannot be bothered to get into!) - but in fact, now the penalty has been given, what is Lee Probert going to do...
You're spot on. For me, although I don't think it was a penalty, I don't know how that's not DOGSO if it's considered to be a foul and should have been sent off.
OffTheWall79
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I think it's quite possibly the clearest DOGSO you will ever see. 7 yards out, about to shoot. Nailed on red
I would say that there is enough contact, if you're off balance and someone is holding your hand and pulling it back you would go backwards, which is what Welbeck did.
Yeah I agree: "that is an obvious goal scoring opportunity"
Funnily enough, in my game yesterday, game into the final seconds of added time at the end of the second half
Away team, 5-1 down, are on the attack, ball crossed into the penalty area, striker gets ahead of defender, 7 or 8 yards out, keeper coming to the edge of the six yard box.
little nudge in the back from the defender, player goes down, penalty
however, i didn't sent defender off for dogso
penalty kick was going to be the last kick of the match. striker who had been brought down said 'don't send him off, ref'
not influenced by striker's comment, possibly influenced by fact that i was going to blow for full-time after penalty kick.
tried to sell it to myself, briefly, that the fact that the keeper was only a yard or so away from the striker made it not an obvious goal-scoring opportunity
not too many protests though one or two players called for a red card and another player queried it as we were going off
as someone said on another thread, the players went home, i went home and the world kept on turning
Away team, 5-1 down, are on the attack, ball crossed into the penalty area, striker gets ahead of defender, 7 or 8 yards out, keeper coming to the edge of the six yard box.
little nudge in the back from the defender, player goes down, penalty
however, i didn't sent defender off for dogso
penalty kick was going to be the last kick of the match. striker who had been brought down said 'don't send him off, ref'
not influenced by striker's comment, possibly influenced by fact that i was going to blow for full-time after penalty kick.
tried to sell it to myself, briefly, that the fact that the keeper was only a yard or so away from the striker made it not an obvious goal-scoring opportunity
not too many protests though one or two players called for a red card and another player queried it as we were going off
as someone said on another thread, the players went home, i went home and the world kept on turning
I can see why you didn't send off, but in the law is does explicitly say that you should not consider the circumstances of the match in cases of DOGSO. For me you have to send off regardless of the fact that you are about to blow for full time.
hattersfan
Active Member
Or you could apply common sense like @haywain did and realise that there us absolutely no advantage to be gained by the other team if the player is sent off and he'll just be lumbered with a fine for a moment of desperation to try and keep his team in the match.
I appreciate that often common sense can be applied, however when the law explicitly states that circumstances cannot be taken into consideration.
MattyontheWhistle
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Firstly, it WAS a penalty, Welbeck has clearly been impeded contact or not, the argument of 'not enough contact' does nothing for me, or the game I'm afraid, as you can foul someone without making contact at all. How much contact is needed anyway?
The question for the card is - was it careless, reckless or excessive?
For me it was a careless challenge, therefore a PK and no more.
Was it DOGSO?
Definitely not, as a United fan, who has watched Welbeck since he was a kid, there was no way he would get to the ball and keep the angle to score with what would have been his left foot. Ball moving away from goal and getting away from him, he would have controlled it near the goal line or within a couple of yards at best, by which time there would have been a couple of defenders plus GK between him and the goal.
Can't remember if the defender was cautioned or not, but I think a YC would have been harsh, an RC would just have been wrong.
The question for the card is - was it careless, reckless or excessive?
For me it was a careless challenge, therefore a PK and no more.
Was it DOGSO?
Definitely not, as a United fan, who has watched Welbeck since he was a kid, there was no way he would get to the ball and keep the angle to score with what would have been his left foot. Ball moving away from goal and getting away from him, he would have controlled it near the goal line or within a couple of yards at best, by which time there would have been a couple of defenders plus GK between him and the goal.
Can't remember if the defender was cautioned or not, but I think a YC would have been harsh, an RC would just have been wrong.