Playing 20 minutes and abandoning is worse than not starting at all. I don't get your logic.
Crawley Town versus Charlton Athletic called off 20 mins before kick off
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Refs at the higher level will only delay the decision if they think there is a chance it might get played. If a ref inspects a pitch at 2pm and it's not playable we all go home.
They don't delay without good reason. And with televised games they might wait longer.
Probably true but sad a ref wont always get the backing from those above them.
What was happening in that period between the checks was a respected and experienced match official giving the ground staff every opportunity to make the field of play playable.
There are protocols in place at that level, giving the match officials full instructions about the procedures to be followed.
Those not party to the protocol can offer uninformed opinions, as many other forums (away club supporters, for example) prove, but it is more fan talk than refereeing development.
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With all due respects I know someone at the match and have been shown videos in addition to the one above officially in the public domain absolutely no attention from ground staff was made because there was NOTHING more they could do. Absolutely nothing! What was the ref doing delaying the decision? The ground staff had already done all they could. No more attention was given by the ground staff. I understand this is a highly skilled competent referee that has no doubt worked his way up to the top having ref'd in the Premier League he must've excelled in his performances over some time to get there yet the only explanation is "protocols" what exact is that? bending over to these other stakeholders to pacify them in a pointless delay?
With all due respects I know someone at the match and have been shown videos in addition to the one above officially in the public domain absolutely no attention from ground staff was made because there was NOTHING more they could do. Absolutely nothing! What was the ref doing delaying the decision? The ground staff had already done all they could. No more attention was given by the ground staff. I understand this is a highly skilled competent referee that has no doubt worked his way up to the top having ref'd in the Premier League he must've excelled in his performances over some time to get there yet the only explanation is "protocols" what exact is that? bending over to these other stakeholders to pacify them in a pointless delay?
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The Referee may just have made an error of judgement by not postponing slightly earlier than he did. (Or maybe he didn't, I don't know)
I have been known to be emotive on occasion, but I don't understand your level of vitriol regarding this Referee's predicament
You must have a really vested interest in the proceedings (or are friends/associates with someone who did) because your criticism seems disproportionate
Let me ask this then. What difference does the extra 30 minute delay in calling it off make? All but the very most local of supporters would have already set off 50 minutes before the game. So what harm does the extra delay cause? I’m struggling to see the problem.
Sometimes as a referee you take a gamble, and it can be either way. I called a contrib game off 15 minutes before kick off and got all kinds of grief. I’d got there early and was very worried as the pitch was very firm and it was only going to get colder. I left it as long as possible but eventually concluded there was no way we would have finished the game. Everyone was fuming as it was probably just about playable at that point, although that was debatable. There was actually an England game on that night and they showed it in the clubhouse, to his credit the Home Secretary messaged me the day after to say I’d got it spot on as the pitch was like an ice rink by 9pm. Plus they had made way more money behind the bar so everyone was happy. This was a gamble I got right, but I’ve probably got plenty wrong, it isn’t an exact science. And I am very firmly of the belief that you you should never start the game if there is a significant chance it won’t finish, it will just cause too much hassle.
Sometimes as a referee you take a gamble, and it can be either way. I called a contrib game off 15 minutes before kick off and got all kinds of grief. I’d got there early and was very worried as the pitch was very firm and it was only going to get colder. I left it as long as possible but eventually concluded there was no way we would have finished the game. Everyone was fuming as it was probably just about playable at that point, although that was debatable. There was actually an England game on that night and they showed it in the clubhouse, to his credit the Home Secretary messaged me the day after to say I’d got it spot on as the pitch was like an ice rink by 9pm. Plus they had made way more money behind the bar so everyone was happy. This was a gamble I got right, but I’ve probably got plenty wrong, it isn’t an exact science. And I am very firmly of the belief that you you should never start the game if there is a significant chance it won’t finish, it will just cause too much hassle.
I think as a community officials dont help themselves. Take VAR where a fan at homes discovers the outcome before a fan in the stadium. The official the doesnt explain to stakeholders the reason. I think its reasonable for all stakeholders to know the refs decision else whats being hidden will be a natural reaction. At grassroots I will happily let anyone with a reasonable interest know how I arrived at my decision. I believe thats demonstrating respect. Im.absolutely speachless how this ref who as officiated in Prem league did not provide an explanation and as othees have said it then goes to fans chatting about it on forums and so on. What are we hiding as refs? I think as I mention this is a wider issue. Not sure football will ever go the talking wired up rugby official way nor would I necessarily want it going that way but we need to reach a happy medium somewhere. As mention in a reply, sure the ref may have made an error.
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With all due respects I know someone at the match and have been shown videos in addition to the one above officially in the public domain absolutely no attention from ground staff was made because there was NOTHING more they could do. Absolutely nothing! What was the ref doing delaying the decision? The ground staff had already done all they could. No more attention was given by the ground staff. I understand this is a highly skilled competent referee that has no doubt worked his way up to the top having ref'd in the Premier League he must've excelled in his performances over some time to get there yet the only explanation is "protocols" what exact is that? bending over to these other stakeholders to pacify them in a pointless delay?
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Protocols are essential to ensure that decisions are made with the relevant aspects all considered.
At that level, the view of the police officer in charge will have to be considered (e. g. at the weekend a match in the North West of England was postponed because of pressure on emergency services caused by flooding locally, even though the field of play was playable) along with the safety of spectators, players and officials.
Whatever decision is made will set off keyboard warriors, usually with an agenda of some sort.
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I’ve no idea how you’ve managed to bring VAR into this.
Yes fans at home know the outcome before fans in the stadium. They’re working on that and will be trialling the official announcing decision at the League Cup Semi-Finals.
Who exactly are you expecting the referee to have provided an explanation to? He’ll have told the clubs why he was postponing it and likely the PGMOL/FA. Clubs will then advise the league.
In regards to your part about explaining how you came to a decision; this is meant very well I’m sure, but no one actually wants that. Teams don’t want the referee explaining every decision. Even when they ask you why you have that decision. A lot of the time it’s mind games. They know very well why you have the throw-in to the opposition. You don’t need to keep telling them it because it came off your own teammate
didnt mean that level of thown in detail but what about paying fans being given an explanation by the ref or are they below him and not worthy of getting an explanation
Devils advocate, the clubs are aware as to the reason, they can reach way more in a social media message than a referee could. There’s their explanation as to why.
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All the fans needed to know in this case was whether the game was on or off.
That information was passed on as soon as the decision was given to the clubs - part of the EFL protocol.
What on earth has VAR got to do with it? Even if the referees wanted to let fans know what decision they have awarded and why they aren’t allowed to, save for the trial starting next week (and that will only be what not why).
What do you expect the referee to do, get hold of the PA announcement system and explain why he called it off? He will have explained clearly to both clubs and lodged a report with PGMOL and the EFL. This will probably detail why it was off, including which parts of the pitch were unplayable. It is then down to the clubs to let supporters know that the game has been postponed.
This thread way as well be locked off from any further responses. It's becoming tedious. It's clear no matter how much explaining, from some extremely knowledgable and experienced members of this forum, the original poster can't/won't be convinced otherwise.
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