The referee awarded a penalty after a VAR review, and needed quite a lot of help to get off the pitch!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46041706
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46041706
Copa Libertadores - referee protected by riot police
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PinnerPaul
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Good to see VAR stopping players dissenting decisions 
as someone once told me on here it would!
Also, with or without VAR, that is a ridiculous decision in my view.
as someone once told me on here it would!Also, with or without VAR, that is a ridiculous decision in my view.
Ciley Myrus
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Not scenes anybody wants to see
but the over riding concern is as above, how on earth and, who has an explanation for that being penalised as handball, (and indeed a yc)
Not sure exact whether the ref viewed it himself and then gave the pk,? but am guessing this morning he wishes he had just stuck with the corner kick !!
but the over riding concern is as above, how on earth and, who has an explanation for that being penalised as handball, (and indeed a yc)
Not sure exact whether the ref viewed it himself and then gave the pk,? but am guessing this morning he wishes he had just stuck with the corner kick !!
Good to see VAR stopping players dissenting decisions
Also, with or without VAR, that is a ridiculous decision in my view.
the striker is appealing for a corner!!
their reaction was similar to drogba following their champions league semi with barca back in 2009(?). i wouldn't say it's an understandable reaction, as they go well over the acceptable boundaries of dissent (and i've no doubt offinabus), but make a decision like that in any big game anywhere in the world (in any sport and at any level) and you'll be upsetting the players plus management and fans.
it's a sad state of the game in the part of the world that riot police are on hand for exactly this sort of scenario as well
Ciley Myrus
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rugby is perhaps the exception to the rule, the players generally give the ref s plenty of respect. i remember the scottish one and the abuse was mainly dished out afterwards by the fans / media etc. iirc when they realised how bad his decisoin was.
yep, never seen this in snooker or golf, but is there anything as comparable in these sports?!
even sports like tennis regularly have outbursts like this, american sports certainly do as well as has athletics in the past.
Adrenalin / testosterone fueled athletes + a feeling of being wronged = anger
i'm absolutely not saying it's acceptable or understandable, and i've no real idea how it could be prevented without a top down / bottom up change in how football referees are treated by players, club officials and fans alike.
My step son plays rugby for an under 12s team in Sheffield. I don't see many of his matches because of my reffing commitments but his mum says that the conduct towards the ref is always immaculate. This is largely in part to the coaches who teach the kids from their first training session that the ref is in charge and you are not! However, 3 weeks ago she came home exasperated that the manager of the under 14s football team had threatened the ref on the pitch next to theirs. This was the same weekend I was threatened and a player went head to head with me lol (she doesn't like football!).
After training last night we were all given a booklet which reminded parents and coaches of their responsibility during the game towards the ref and the opposition. This is apparently a reaction to bad behaviour in the senior league's towards refs, so all isn't as rosy as you'd think in adult rugby.
After training last night we were all given a booklet which reminded parents and coaches of their responsibility during the game towards the ref and the opposition. This is apparently a reaction to bad behaviour in the senior league's towards refs, so all isn't as rosy as you'd think in adult rugby.
i imagine still a hell of a lot better than football!
sounds like they actually care about respecting the refs...
there'll be a time in the future (i hope) when my son starts playing football, i reckon i'm going to find watching games with the other parents incredibly frustrating
sounds like they actually care about respecting the refs...
there'll be a time in the future (i hope) when my son starts playing football, i reckon i'm going to find watching games with the other parents incredibly frustrating
It's far better than football. The key being that the kids are taught to respect the ref from day one and this behaviour is backed up by the coaches. The refs in junior games usually explain why they've given penalties against each team and even give advice to both teams on what to do next time. Here are no league tables until they're 13, results are irrelevant.
One thing to consider is that refs are usually parents or volunteers from older teams at that particular club and they don't get paid so perhaps expectations are a bit lower. Still, even if they were assigned and paid I don't think they get much abuse,it's just not an accepted culture at a rugby match.
One thing to consider is that refs are usually parents or volunteers from older teams at that particular club and they don't get paid so perhaps expectations are a bit lower. Still, even if they were assigned and paid I don't think they get much abuse,it's just not an accepted culture at a rugby match.
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RefJef
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There’s nothing to stop us doing that in football.
What I would like to see at Youth (U16 and below) is goal difference having no impact on league position. I’ve seen some teams rotate their better players off when comfortably ahead, to allow the “lesser” players get more game time, but I’ve also seen some teams not do this and look to rack up a cricket score for the benefit of their goal difference. If the top two teams are tied on points at the end of the season either crown them both as joint champions, or have a play off.
But you’re right, much more respect in rugby. In a previous school, I would do a term of rugby, followed by a term of football. Same boys, same parents, same opposition, but in when playing football they though it acceptable to question decisions, but not so in rugby.
Goal difference counts for nowt in the youth leagues round my way
League titles decided by play offs
RefJef
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I’m pleased to hear that. I’ll make a mental note to contact the league and suggest it, rather than just sit here & whinge about it.
What my local league does do, at U13 level, is have play offs (6 way I think, not sure, I don’t do much below u15 or u16) at the start of the season, to determine the divisions for the season to try and get them reasonably balanced.
There are a number of league's now that have 2 titles to win a year. Smaller league's, with the team that wins the first title getting promoted and the team that finishes bottom (or two) getting relegated. New division is therefore formed and the second half of the season is a new league. Keeps teams evenly matched and if you're bottom half way through teams don't lose interest as they get relegated into a new league come January.
Is it called Scotland?
I was referring to junior league's, do they still do that in the SPL? Including cups Celtic v Rangers used to happen abour 6 times a year!
CapnBloodbeard
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This video is a disgrace and you'd abandon at any local level. This sport NEEDS to stamp out mobbing the referee. If the referee needs protection from police/the other referees, then that team has done something seriously wrong - but of course, that team will not be held accountable.
Minimum 12 month suspension for the idiot play.
I once watched a friend play ice hockey. As you know, very aggressive sport. He got binned, incorrect decision. I commented afterwards that I was amazed that nobody said anything at all. He said that's because they all know that if they said anything, they'd join him!
There's nothing intrinsic about football for this to be part of the culture - it's just that the culture is accepted. And as much as I hate to say it, referees themselves are part of this vicious cycle - referees themselves protect and promote the culture of abuse, because they feel that they're expected to.
Nope, good decision for me - why is he coming over to block a kick with an arm stick as far out as it can be? Defender's obligation to try to minimise that, he's just made himself bigger.
Minimum 12 month suspension for the idiot play.
I once watched a friend play ice hockey. As you know, very aggressive sport. He got binned, incorrect decision. I commented afterwards that I was amazed that nobody said anything at all. He said that's because they all know that if they said anything, they'd join him!
There's nothing intrinsic about football for this to be part of the culture - it's just that the culture is accepted. And as much as I hate to say it, referees themselves are part of this vicious cycle - referees themselves protect and promote the culture of abuse, because they feel that they're expected to.
Nope, good decision for me - why is he coming over to block a kick with an arm stick as far out as it can be? Defender's obligation to try to minimise that, he's just made himself bigger.