Surely the current law is the exact reason it’s not a handball or the exact reason it could be debatable. Being high isn’t in the law. Aren’t his arms in a position that’s justifiable for his sliding actions. I’m not fully convinced the The goal should have been allowed as he purposefully tried to flick the ball, change its direction with his hands. I think you might be giving him too much credit for it not being intentional.
I just don't think your arms come up that high when diving. I played in defence and did a lot of diving to block shots and crosses and in my head my arms never came that high. They come out from the body, but I'm far from convinced they come up that high.
What were your thoughts on the Rashford incident a couple of weeks back? I can't be bothered right now to go back and look at anything you posted about it.
This is the massive issue at the moment isn’t it. On a scale of 1-10 some ref can be 1 and others 10. And that can’t be good. I agree with you that both decision could be as you describe but then I’ve seen footage that makes it look like he flicks the ball with his body turn,, why is he turning. and his arms are high/wide but what is natural for him when sliding might not be natural for someone else because watching it i didnt think he purposely splayed his arms out. I guess who’s natural are we using.
Big difference there is it hit his arm as he was lifting it over the keeper. I can't remember exactly what happened (getting old and memory not as good as it was
), but as I recall it was much more immediate.Agree, there is one angle that makes it look like he almost scooped the ball, and my immediate reaction was handball. They then showed two other angles that showed he had barely moved his arm at all. Just shows the importance of angles when making decisions.
For me, the time that both incidents took from handball to goal wasn't too dissimilar, I haven't timed them but maybe a second in it. Both were roughly 4-5 seconds imo. Both goals should stand, or nether should stand.Big difference there is it hit his arm as he was lifting it over the keeper. I can't remember exactly what happened (getting old and memory not as good as it was
I'd need to see a clip of the Rashford one to jog my memory.
That's what I thought, after it hit his hand he has gone on and scored himself. I think the key difference, even if not supported by the law wording, is Rashford has gone onto score himself without anyone else being involved, whereas the West Ham one rebounded a bit and a different player scored. Does that meet the immediate requirement, not sure, we'd have to ask IFAB (and they won't comment on actual match incidents).Everton 1-2 Manchester Utd | Premier League highlights
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For me, there's nothing in the wording about how many players it touches etc, it is all about timing, 'immediately after'. That is, within a second, 2. 3 is very much the max.
The immediate scores after handling does not apply to the west ham goal because the player who handled it did not score.
It's both on the timing, for me, and both timings were similar so there shouldn't need to be any debate or interpretation. Neither were scored immediately after, so Rashford's shouldn't have been ruled out.
My point is one is a lot more obvious than the other. Rashford handled and then went onto score himself without anyone else involved, Kehrer handled and it them rebounded around before someone else scored. They probably need to define "immediate" as otherwise these debates will carry on for ever. Could it be argued that Rashford scored immediately after, possibly, but there is no possible argument that West Ham scored immediate after Kehrer's handling.
It’s about as clear a handball as you’ll see this season
You might want to check that one again. The original "accidental" HB offense didn't require the same player to handle and score. The new language does. It's a player scores after the ball contacts their arm. It also has to be (the undefined) "immediate."
