Albanian HB Penalty
- Thread starter Big Cat
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Albanian player should have passed his shirt to the referee to wear!!!
What's annoying about it is that i had countless handball shouts today. The players expect what they see on TV, but what they see on TV is not the Law as it's written (with respect to HB)
Yeah, had a lot of appeals three weeks back for ball-to-hand incidents. I didn't give them, and wasn't much appreciated for it.
Today though, I saw a deliberate handball - defender folded his arm but moved it to the ball to elbow it wide. Gave a penalty for it, was asked 'how can you give that, no one appealed?'
Anyway, haven't seen the Albania handball yet, just going off on a tangent.
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Handball is at 2.20. The ball didn't even hit his hand. It hit him on the shoulder/chest and head. Having his hands spread wide open mislead the referee.
What happens at 1.15? A yellow changed to red? or was the red for another afters incident?
Handball is at 2.20. The ball didn't even hit his hand. It hit him on the shoulder/chest and head. Having his hands spread wide open mislead the referee.
What happens at 1.15? A yellow changed to red? or was the red for another afters incident?
CapnBloodbeard
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Looks like it hit the hand to me. Good decision. Easy penalty. Don't see the argument myself. Why has he gone and turned side on and stuck his arm out to make the jump?
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Ciley Myrus
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Red was for a head butt which i don't think this footage caught. I think you do see ref indicate use of head though
PK, well, what do most of us do in an attempt to be proactive pre a direct shot at free kick? We, usually when wall is back, make a "watch your arms coming up to block the ball please" signal or something similar
I can see how it looks like handball and tbh am prob giving that. Plus my country need every bit of help they can get !
CapnBloodbeard
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What, do you flap you arms for more height? No reason to be jumping with your arms out at 90 degrees. That doesn't give you more height - and even if it does, so what? 'natural position' (if you're making that argument) has never meant there isn't a foul, though it's taken to be that by some.
No, the player who was penalised was sticking his arm right on in front/to the side
Suggest you try and jump as high as you can in front of a large mirror or better yet get someone to video you...then watch it back and see exactly what you do with your arms......the unnatural position is keeping them down ffs
A random free kick, all players are jumping, all perfectly naturally, defending!!!! Hands are everywhere, up / down, which one are you calling as deliberately attempting to handle the ball before it hits something??? I'd say NONE of them!!!
Ciley Myrus
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sorry don't know his name but the one whose number I cant see on his shorts, am calling handball v him, (if indeed his hand makes contact with the ball). If the ball strikes him (and yes I know I run risk of going down a ball to hand path) the he has used his hand/arm to block the ball, deliberately, and am not giving consideration to a natural/unnatural position. He cannot use his hand/arm to block the ball. So I would be penalising him
Where should his hands/arms be? I don't care, as long as they are not somewhere where he has illegally blocked a ball
Jumping motion aside, extended his body shape, with arm/hands, to block the ball
the rest of the players., no, based on that pic, no handball offence should the ball strike them
assuming they are on the way up, 23 and 35 have actually jumped higher, with arms not as high as the guy I cant name, so, going down the road of "he is jumping and using his arms to jump" is not actually doing him good....(other than making himself a bigger blockage for the ball to bypass)
a second look shows 7 is actually Magneto from the X men and levitating, without throwing his hands up into the air and without making himself illegally bigger, so, proves to me the only intention of unnamed man is not just to jump, but to block (with use of hand)
nobody can claim defenders action are spur of the moment and not intentional, of course they are, that's why they are in the defensive wall, to be defensive, cant claim they are too close to the ball, or its unexpectedly battered against them, nope, don't want to give away a pk there, don't put your hand up. The other 3 have shown jumping is entirely possible without putting the hand in a place where it can block the ball away from your own body mass
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But the position of the hand doesn't mean its deliberate!!!
Ciley Myrus
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So other than to block the ball, given his 3 mates can jump higher without firing their arm up into the air and making themselves a bigger obstacle for the ball to by pass, what's he doing? Deliberately blocking the ball with his hand
ok, picture this, a defensive wall, before kicker takes the kick and all the defenders in the wall have arms up in the air above their heads
Kicker blasts ball and true enough, it batters into one of the defenders hands.
But that's ok because the position of the hand does not mean it's deliberate??????
we cant simply rule out and rule in ideals and treat them as black and white, an understanding of the situation, a feel for the game, and that worn out like the school scud mag phrase "what football expects" must come into play
I expect if a defender in a defensive wall uses his hand to block the shot on goal, that he should be penalised for doing so.
if not, then, its a free for all, and they all might as well go don the keepers gloves.
ok, picture this, a defensive wall, before kicker takes the kick and all the defenders in the wall have arms up in the air above their heads
Kicker blasts ball and true enough, it batters into one of the defenders hands.
But that's ok because the position of the hand does not mean it's deliberate??????
we cant simply rule out and rule in ideals and treat them as black and white, an understanding of the situation, a feel for the game, and that worn out like the school scud mag phrase "what football expects" must come into play
I expect if a defender in a defensive wall uses his hand to block the shot on goal, that he should be penalised for doing so.
if not, then, its a free for all, and they all might as well go don the keepers gloves.
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CapnBloodbeard
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Yeah, because keeping your arms down is the only other option..../facepalm
one
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You left out a cruicial word. "The position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an offence". In essence, the position of the hand can mean it's deliberate (but not always).
