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Clearly a bad decision, but that tweet is the biggest problem in football.
Why on earth is a bad misjudgement worse than a very blatant attempt at cheating? 🤯
 
100% not a foul from that angle, but it looks a lot more like an airshot and fall, than dive.

However, it just so happens to be on ITV right now and a different angle shows a push, and whilst it might be soft and the attacker might make a meal of it, it’s not the absolute shocker it looks from the other angle.
 
The Gump said:
100% not a foul from that angle, but it looks a lot more like an airshot and fall, than dive.

However, it just so happens to be on ITV right now and a different angle shows a push, and whilst it might be soft and the attacker might make a meal of it, it’s not the absolute shocker it looks from the other angle.
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Agreed. It doesn't look like a deliberate dive. He just overran the ball and the attempting to still kick it made him fall.

Without the other angle, it looks like a nothing decision for me. Can't think the hand on his back or any hold would have had much of an impact.
 
I don’t entirely agree… his foot doesn’t, from this angle, appear to fully continue through with the shot as it would for an air shot.

Edit to add: I’ve just seen the other angle. He feels the arm in the back (which I’ll add is totally inconsequential) and throws himself down, looking straight at the referee. It’s not an air shot and fall over, it’s a very clear piece of cheating, in my opinion. But like I say, what really grates me is when people are saying the decision is worse than the cheating…
 
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There's clearly a hand in the back - whether it's enough to make him go down is the obvious question. The ref evidently gave it for that, and not for a tangle of legs for instance, seeing as he sent him off.

Watching it live, my first instinct was, it's a penalty* although watching it back I wasn't so sure. Of course the referee doesn't have the benefit of multiple replays from different angles.

*I could be biased mind, being a lifelong Boro fan. :D
 
The problem is AB is 30/40 yards behind play when he gives the pen. A hard sell when you’re that far behind play.
 
Also a Boro fan so slightly biased …

In real time I thought it was a penalty, from the side it looked as if he was pushed but from this angle I think we got away with one.

just before this the referee missed a blatant penalty in the way of Boro. Maybe the referee missed got in his own mind? Either way, 2 decisions which don’t look great
 
QuaverRef said:
Also a Boro fan so slightly biased …

In real time I thought it was a penalty, from the side it looked as if he was pushed but from this angle I think we got away with one.

just before this the referee missed a blatant penalty in the way of Boro. Maybe the referee missed got in his own mind? Either way, 2 decisions which don’t look great
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I also wondered whether the earlier penalty incident might have been on his mind.
 
Peter Grove said:
There's clearly a hand in the back - whether it's enough to make him go down is the obvious question. The ref evidently gave it for that, and not for a tangle of legs for instance, seeing as he sent him off.

Watching it live, my first instinct was, it's a penalty* although watching it back I wasn't so sure. Of course the referee doesn't have the benefit of multiple replays from different angles.

*I could be biased mind, being a lifelong Boro fan. :D
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I think it is definitely a case of heinous cheating that sought to influence the referee... being a lifelong Argyle fan. 😉
 
Why is this type of cheating not punished retrospectively?

The player has conned the ref to get his team 2 extra points unfairly and damage Plymouth's chances of survival.

Disgraceful.
 
Kent Ref said:
Why is this type of cheating not punished retrospectively?

The player has conned the ref to get his team 2 extra points unfairly and damage Plymouth's chances of survival.

Disgraceful.
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In some cases I agree that should happen but I’m not sure this is one of them. It’s definitely not a penalty but with there being contact I don’t think it’s conclusively a dive. Not enough for retrospective punishment anyway
 
Personally I think anyone suggesting this isn’t a very clear piece of simulation is being generous. There is no extension of the arm in the back (from the other angle), the fall isn’t inkeeping with a push in the back in my opinion and the player immediately looked at the referee.
But we all see things differently!
 
Have a look at his swinging right foot as he swings it. The quality is not that great to be 100% conclusive but it looks like his foot got clipped which causes it to catch his other foot. His kicking foot should have completed the swing at that speed if it was not caught.
 
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