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  1. rayb

    Advice on soft penalties

    Thanks so much for your comments. It was never defined to me that there should be a higher threshold in the penalty box but if it's taught by ref trainers where you are then that's good enough for me. It was always my gut feeling anyway so the confirmation of this definitely increases my...
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    Advice on soft penalties

    Hello all, I ref adult games in Australia and would like to know how you handle decisions for "soft penalties" I know the LOTG states it shouldn't make a difference where the foul is but in reality for a game defining decision I need to make %100 sure that it's a foul. The fact that players...
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    Dutch Referee Blog - Week 5 Laws of the Game Quiz 2022-2023

    I also got this answer wrong and wondered why a YC would be given. I then read this for Law 12 "Cautions for USB" handles the ball to interfere with or stop a promising attack I tried to find a definition for SPA like there is for DOGSO (ie the 4 considerations for DOGSO to come into affect)...
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    Juv vs Sal

    Yes, I see what you mean. I suppose that term "Interfering with play" (stated in the LOTG) as a player lunges for the ball might be interpreted differently.
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    Juv vs Sal

    It seems people are arguing if there was any IMPACT by the opposition / keeper or if the ball was going into the goal regardless. I was in the "Goal should stand" camp (barring the far defender of course) until I imagined this incident happening 30 meters from the goal. If there was a line of...
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    What can't players shout?

    Thanks @one I think that giving a warning in this situation would be the common sense thing to do as the player had INTENT to distract opponent and play was NOT impacted.. My initial question was what to do when there was NO intent by the attacker but play WAS impacted (eg a "mine shout" by an...
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    Scotland vs Armenia

    Thanks for you Reply @Anubis. I know it was a basic event but just wanted some clarification from someone more experienced. It's good to know that this type of tackle can go either way depending on a lot of factors - I'll worry less about any similar decisions I make then :)
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    What can't players shout?

    Being the devil's advocate and I believe was also mentioned somewhere in this post - but isn't there some scope in law 12.2 ". . . or other verbal offences" to just award an IFK. Yes, I know the history of how that statement got there and that it implies it has to do with descent to officials...
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    What can't players shout?

    This is a very interesting topic as I am acutely aware of the different styles or approaches a ref can decide to take. Do you focus more on common sense approach and let context and other non-tangible factors into the "Foul / Caution equation" or do you ref more to the letter of the law. Is it...
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    Scotland vs Armenia

    Can I get some opinions on a this foul in the game please. It occurs at the 3:40 min mark in the video below and I see this sort of thing happening at the local levels as well and would like some advice if I may. Black comes in quite forcefully in front of white who is running fast with the...
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    What can't players shout?

    I'm getting the impression being a ref is mostly about black and white laws but sometimes there is room for context. Thanks for your insights and advice.
  12. rayb

    What can't players shout?

    Point taken @one. Use a wholistic approach by taking in all factors. I suppose this is a good rule of thumb for other offences as well providing no LOTG rules are broken.
  13. rayb

    What can't players shout?

    Haha. That's a great story and funnily enough that exactly what I used to say when I used to play - "Mine, John" when in this situation because, in the heat of the moment, I could never remember my team mates name and they were all "John" to me when I wanted the ball. Can you clarify this...
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    What can't players shout?

    Ahh. OK. I didn't realise that and then yes, a misunderstanding has occurred on my part. I've only observed the "They can't say MINE" response in Aus which, amongst other similar situations, a perceived deception / distraction has also occurred which is why I said what I said. Thanks for the...
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    What can't players shout?

    Yes, I hear what you are saying @GraemeS but isn't when the aggrieved player shouting angry at you "He can't say mine", isn't he just expressing the unfairness in the fact that the opponents now have the ball because of what he sees as deception. He just shouts out what he believes the rules to...
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    What can't players shout?

    THANKYOU @one, your answer has hit home. Your right, I am looking for a black and white answer so I can justify my decision if pressed - even if it includes an ITOOTR part to it. I just want to make sure I don't want to be contradicted by the LOTG - for example saying that intention is the...
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    What can't players shout?

    That makes sense Russell but it still seems to come down to has "malice been intended" which is fair enough and what I actually believe should be the case but if the "Distracted" defender comes up and says "I was severely distracted by the opponents shout which is why I let the ball go" (I know...
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    What can't players shout?

    Thanks Russell. I agree with you 100% regarding the SOTG but are you saying that if a player does not intend to distracts a player but does so inadvertently (like your tackle example) then it's an IFK and YC?? Your last sentence seems quite "Greyish" in that it depends what and how they say the...
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    What can't players shout?

    Been reading this this thread with interest and would like some clarification please because I'm just a beginner ref (from Aus). I also understand that players communicating to their team mates via shouting 1 or 2 syllable words is quite common ( eg. "mine" or "Leave it") At the start of this...
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    Defender PIADM in Goal Area??

    That's very interesting. It's all starting to make sense now that it can be pretty dangerous for a player to do that sort of thing. I can just imagine an agro attacker coming in with an axe to grind and big smile on his face. So the whole team was on the goal line and the IDFK was from the 6...
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