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Lighting the darkest hour
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Level 5 Referee
3 questions:

When was:the last time you saw 2 reds for the same side in the first half?

Have you ever seen 2 red cards in the first 25 minutes, to the same team?

Have you ever seen a SFP red card 3 minutes in?

I picked the right game to watch.
 
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3 questions:

When was:the last time you saw 2 reds for the same side in the first half?

Have you ever seen 2 red cards in the first 25 minutes, to the same team?

Have you ever seen a SFP red card 3 minutes in?

I picked the right game to watch.
Think I'd take 2 red cards in the first half at the moment as a Derby fan, to justify the 3-0, our first half was painful but that's just because we're rubbish.
 
Tom Hamer saw red after just 160 seconds for a reckless challenge on Joel Veltman

Taken from the BBC's match report :facepalm:

Said it before and I say it again, I think the word reckless to describe a yellow card tackle is not the right word to use because virtually everyone(and there is intelligent people out there who also say it) associates the word reckless as dangerous therefore thinking reckless tackle is a red card.

Does also highlight how many people out there don't fully read the laws though too see the difference between a yellow card challenge and a red card.

Either way both decisions correct for me and brave I guess of the ref to send someone off so early for SFP
 
Said it before and I say it again, I think the word reckless to describe a yellow card tackle is not the right word to use because virtually everyone(and there is intelligent people out there who also say it) associates the word reckless as dangerous therefore thinking reckless tackle is a red card.

Does also highlight how many people out there don't fully read the laws though too see the difference between a yellow card challenge and a red card.

Either way both decisions correct for me and brave I guess of the ref to send someone off so early for SFP

“Reckless” has been in the Laws for more than 30 years, giving pundits plenty of time to have learned the language. Prior to introducing CREF into the Laws, the direct freer offenses all were considered “intentional.” CREF, to a large degree, brought the language of the Laws to what was actually being called. (Prior to the addition of “reckless,” fouls were cautioned ITOOTR if they constituted ungentemanly conduct (a bucket that covered most of today’s cautions as the only other buckets were dissent, entering/leaving, and PI). So adding “reckless” gave us language to differentiate between a simple foul and one that warrants a caution. And I think it is a good word for it. I don’t think the problem is that reckless is a bad word for what warrants a caution so much as pundits aren’t comfortable with any single word to identify what warrants a send off—hence people resort to “reckless” because they can’t think of another simple way to say. I personally think the solution for commentators and pundits is “dangerous,” as the easiest single word for SFP vs caution. I can’t think of a better word than reckless for what a caution should be, and even if there is, changing to have reckless be used for SFP would generate way too much confusion after 30 years of using it differently. (Aside: I actually think “careless” is more of a misnomer than than “reckless,” but it was added to get past “intentional” in the prior Laws, and I can’t think of a better word for that, either.)
 
“Reckless” has been in the Laws for more than 30 years, giving pundits plenty of time to have learned the language. Prior to introducing CREF into the Laws, the direct freer offenses all were considered “intentional.” CREF, to a large degree, brought the language of the Laws to what was actually being called. (Prior to the addition of “reckless,” fouls were cautioned ITOOTR if they constituted ungentemanly conduct (a bucket that covered most of today’s cautions as the only other buckets were dissent, entering/leaving, and PI). So adding “reckless” gave us language to differentiate between a simple foul and one that warrants a caution. And I think it is a good word for it. I don’t think the problem is that reckless is a bad word for what warrants a caution so much as pundits aren’t comfortable with any single word to identify what warrants a send off—hence people resort to “reckless” because they can’t think of another simple way to say. I personally think the solution for commentators and pundits is “dangerous,” as the easiest single word for SFP vs caution. I can’t think of a better word than reckless for what a caution should be, and even if there is, changing to have reckless be used for SFP would generate way too much confusion after 30 years of using it differently. (Aside: I actually think “careless” is more of a misnomer than than “reckless,” but it was added to get past “intentional” in the prior Laws, and I can’t think of a better word for that, either.)
IIRC, the CREF wording was in use before someone had the idea of linking them to the disciplinary sanctions.

Careless is daft because it implies you can legitimately commit a foul carefully, and reckless does sound worse than excessive force which frankly is a meaningless phrase, equating to "more than adequate".

It's why, even after 30 years, pundits (and fans) don't shout "that's excessive force" for a wild tackle.
 
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